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"If y'all could stop calling an LLM "open source" just because they published the weights... that would be great."
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So i still don’t see your issue with deepseek, because just like an emulator, everything is open source, with the exception of the data. The end result is dependent on the ROM put in to it, you can always make your own ROM, if you had the tools, and the end result followed the expected format. And if the ROM was removed the emulator is still the emulator.
So if deep seek removed its data set, would you then consider deepseek open source?
If I distribute a set consisting of emulator and a Rom of a closed source game (without the sourcecode), then the full set is not open source.
Kind of, but that's like expecting a console without any firmware. The Weights are the important bit of an LLM distribution.
So like an emulator. Or at least the PS2 ones when you had to dump your bios from your machine (or snatch someone else’s).
But that’s my point! The data set is interchangeable. So Its not what makes the deepseek, THE deepseek LLM . But without the data set it would be functionally useless. And there would be no way possible to satisfy your requirement for data set openness. You said there is some line in the sand somewhere where you might be satisfied with some amount of the data, but your argument states that granularity must be absolute in order to justify calling it open source. You demand an impossible unnecessary standard that is not held to other open source projects.
Just wanted to thank you both for this discourse! As somebody who's interested in AI but totally ignorant to how the hell it works, I found this conversation very helpful! I would say you both have good points. Happy days to you both! 🙂