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I'm checking out various "personal knowledge management" tools in a sandbox to see if it be an upgrade my ragtag collection of text file-based notes.

First candidate is #Logseq, supposedly "privacy-first".

How #privacy friendly is something based on Electron (aka Chrome)? Debatable, but then they also do this:

  1. Have "Send usage data" on by default
  2. Start with an example page that embeds a YouTube video, and accepts all cookies

tcpdump and mitmproxy go wild when starting the program.

Shows that the "Send usage data and diagnostics to Logseq" setting is enabled by default.
Shows the services being contacted by Logseq over HTTPS right after starting it for the first time.  Hosts that are being contact: www.youtube.com, googleads.g.doubleclick.net, jnn-pa-googleapis.com, play.google.com, app.posthog.com, o416451.ingest.sentry.io

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (29 children)

Next up is #Obsidian, a tool I'm hesitant to consider because of the developers' view on open source. Hence, the source is not available except the obfuscated JavaScript that's ran by Electron.

Despite that, Obsidian itself only does a version check (which can be disabled) and starts in "restricted mode" by default, which disallows third-party plugins (but does still embed external content when asked to.)

There's some phoning home by Chrome but far less than with Logseq.

Color me surprised.

The program defaults to "restricted mode."  "Would you like to exit Restricted Mode to enable community plugins?   We strongly recommend making backups of your data before doing so."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

When installing plugins all bets are off.

Loading dependencies from CDNs, doing their own version checks, or showing a YouTube video on install, the most popular Obsidian plugin (Excalidraw) does it all without asking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@[email protected] ooh hey this thread seems really useful, any plans to check out https://anytype.io/ been eying it up as a replacement for notion on my personal projects.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@[email protected] Thanks!

Yes, Anytype is next. I played around with it yesterday (without monitoring it) but its complexity was both alluring and also a reason to check other tools, despite my (initial) distrust of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

@[email protected] haha yeah that makes sense look forward to reading your thoughts on it.

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