this post was submitted on 16 Nov 2024
11 points (100.0% liked)

Europe

1536 readers
843 users here now

News and information from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in [email protected]. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)

(This list may get expanded when necessary.)

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @[email protected], @[email protected], or @[email protected].

founded 4 months ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Shameful of Reuters not to mention the video of Maccabi Fans chasing arabs through the streets that was misbranded as Maccabi fans being chased. The whole events were presented with a strong pro Israeli distortion by western politicians and media.

Especially as Reuters misbranded that video in question a decent approach would be to own up to and mention it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well the situation was much more complex than any 1 video makes clear. Apparently at some point small groups of shits where using hit and run tactics on the Maccabi supporters/hooligans on mopeds and bikes.. attacking Maccabi supporters that got isolated from the group, this caused the Maccabi supporters to bunch up like they did. So you see the large group of the Maccabi people, but hardly see the small groups that attack them. At one point the Maccabi people run towards a small group in an alley.. it's not clear if they got to them.

The police had a hard time getting a handle on the small hit and run groups so they rounded up the maccabi people and ushered them to the hotels.

The whole thing seems to have started with the macabbi fans ripping down the Palestinian flag at a building and throwing stones through the windows, but that's not clear at the moment.

The incident with the cab drivers also seems to have more to it, with a cab driver mistreating macabbi fans, leading to macabbi fans retaliating and then cab drivers organizing against the macabbi people.

It's a real shit show of escalation.. but the videos are not showing everything. The police is still combing through days worth of footage from public cams, doorbells, mobile phones. The police also has phone dumps and telegram chats where the anti macabbi side was organizing something that escalated to being referred to as Jew hunts... So there is that.

In the end the macabbi people are back home and in the Netherlands we are left with the shambles of this nonsense and a highly polarized debate.

It's not helpful to act or propagate the story that any of the 2 parties where the victim and the other the agressor.. as past some point they are all wrong, all assholes and we can only hope that ALL people involved in instigation are punished for what they did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of polarisation, disinformation & propaganda from right & left in France as well, it’s as if no one can think or get informed properly… >:<

Wikipedia (English) seems to be one of the best semi-concise sources on the event.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Yeah as more information comes out.. I'm impressed by the mayor of Amsterdam. I never liked her when she was in national politics, but as a mayor she seems to really make an effort to get it right and also acknowledges publicly when she failed at that.

Currently the police have over 45 people they are actively looking for from the Netherlands and have a few outstanding requests to Israeli police too.