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I was gonna title this "And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice" and then write "Stuck inside of America with the fascism blues again" here, but I'm not sure if that comes off like gloating and that's honestly the last thing I want to do this morning.

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[–] azertyfun 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Everyone from Sanders to Dick fucking Cheney endorsed Harris. Anyone who was paying any attention and wasn't a literal fascist voted for her. The direction of the swing seems irrelevant.

The swing fell short because it's not so much about direction than strength. Macron in 2017 ran the most "hard center" presidential campaign imaginable. Difference is it worked, not because his centrist program was particularly novel but in large part because he is a very charismatic figure and managed to create a voting base of hopefuls for himself. The same can broadly be argued about Obama (whose first act as president was to essentially absolve the previous administration and Wall St of their many sins in case anyone forgot how moderate he was).

Harris ran on a platform of... "I'm not him". Which to any reasonable person is an obvious "yeah OK", but unfortunately most Americans are apathetic cretins who will refuse to move their asses to a polling station if the guy on the telly doesn't promise them a blowie at the voting booth. And the Democrat establishment is simultaneously too big to fail and incapable of producing an actually charismatic leader.

Well, all that and the obvious election interference from Musk, Putin, and the ontological inability of traditional media not to platform literal fascists.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

(whose first act as president was to essentially absolve the previous administration and Wall St of their many sins in case anyone forgot how moderate he was).

I think this very thing led to the 2010 tea party wave election that fucked us for a decade and a similar thing has happened here, except it was the seeming inability of the Biden administration to hold Trump and his supporters accountable and not going after corporations making record profits during an inflationary crisis ("So how would you recommend they have done that?" Great question, I will let you know when I have a good answer).

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Well, all that and the obvious election interference from Musk, Putin, and the ontological inability of traditional media not to platform literal fascists.

This absolutely played a huge roll (also, voter suppressing laws passed by GOP governments), but I don't know how to change any of that without having a Democratic party that consistently wins elections first

[–] azertyfun 6 points 2 weeks ago

The FBI apparently learned some lessons on how to deal with Russian interference since 2016 and made some arrests this time around. Way too little too late though, and in January Trump's cronies will take over and that'll be that. Other countries should take notes though and start being much harsher on Russian trolls and their puppets. Unfortunately Von Der Layen recently fired the guy who was prosecuting Musk over Twitter so I'm not too confident anyone in power learned their lesson. Which is mind-boggling because russian-backed far-right parties are a meaningful electoral threat to people like Von Der Layen.

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