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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Remember when Howard Dean yelling a little enthusiastically was enough to doom his campaign in the primaries? How have we gotten to the point where a senile Nazi sundowning on camera for 40 minutes has a toss-up chance of being president and will almost certainly stage a coup in the event that he loses?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

For reference: 2004: The scream that doomed Howard Dean

The establishment said he needed to go after this rally, and he was basically cancelled for being enthusiastic about helping America.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had heard this as well, but someone else on here was basically saying that his campaign was doomed before this anyways, not sure of the specifics.

[–] booly 5 points 1 month ago

I made a comment describing the phenomenon here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/23959648/13416196

(Sorry, I don't know the proper way to link a comment in an instance-agnostic way so I linked to the URL of my home instance)

That’s confusing cause and effect. Howard Dean’s speech was supposed to be a concession speech after losing the only early primary/caucus he was trying to win. He poured in all of his resources in the hopes of winning Iowa, underperformed expectations against a backdrop of dropping in the polls for weeks, and coming in third (with no real prospects for New Hampshire or South Carolina) basically made it impossible for him to have the volunteers, money, or press coverage to survive into the next stage of competing in bigger states with primaries clumped up together.

He showed everyone his plan of winning Iowa or going home, lost Iowa, and then gave some kind of rallying speech as if he had a plan to recover from that loss. He never did, and it wasn’t the scream that killed his campaign. His campaign was dead before the scream happened. It’s just that the scream was a particularly memorable way for a campaign to die.

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