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Fire Memes for Traitor Haters

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Where we meme (joking in tone and detail, serious in sentiment) about General Sherman, the Civil War, and how the secesh traitors had it coming.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (16 children)

The American Revolution was a challenge to unchecked monarchial/imperial power in order to install representative government.

Mohawk teacher should understand that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I agree entirely and have a positive view of the American Revolution, but it's also fair to see it as somewhat self-interested. If someone doesn't take a strong side looking at the American Revolution, I generally don't think too poorly of them. If someone doesn't take a strong side looking at the US Civil War, though? Nah, I don't deal with people like that. We're all Union boys and girls for those four short years. 40 Acres and a Mule!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Now, I'm not from the States so I'm not as invested in the first place but is it okay in general to be somewhat lukewarm about the American Civil War in terms of its societal effectiveness? While the slavers got beaten up very effectively (and rightly so), the aftermath was mired in compromise to such a large degree that slavery still isn't banned in the States and the underlying racism is still a major issue today.

Is that valid criticism or should the postbellum be considered strictly separate from the Civil War? I'm genuinely curious.

(And I just realized that you argue against not taking a strong side rather than not having strong feelings. My bad.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Oh yeah, we all mourn in this community that Reconstruction didn't do what it was supposed to - destroying slavery and racism in the South, and in failing to do so, allowed it to re-establish itself as power over the entire country again. But the Civil War itself? "Anti-democratic racist slavers vs. Flawed democracy coalition which eventually accedes to more racially positive outlook" shouldn't be a hard choice for anyone.

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