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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Not any more than other religions

Because atheists never, ever, do terrible things. They are too enlightened by their intelligence, which is why the ruling class in Silicon Valley are so busy improving society somewhat and not being war profiteers naming their war profiteering corporations after fantasy fiction concepts. jagoff

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

They have a point when the question is, as it was, religions and not religious people. Their holy texts both present particular genocides as good things and include directions to commit genocide against apostates. Whatever we might say of the historic position of Jews as social minorities, the content of the Tenakh, etc. is well-suited to justifying an ethnostate.

I do think they are generalizing to strongly in that regard, since the Abrahamic religions are all especially bad in this regard compared to the others that have made it to the modern day, with the possible exception of Hinduism (I don't know enough about it). Edit: I think Islam is the least bad of the three, but it's also the one I'm the least familiar with.

I'm not really interested in arguing for some particular prescription based on this, I just don't think we should close our eyes to obvious truths in the name of pushing some silly idea about religion being benign as a rule. I'm also not saying the Crusades are Christ's fault or any of that bullshit (nor that the Nakba is the fault of Moses, to be on topic), I'm just saying that when a text says "The appropriate response to someone preaching heresy in a town is to slaughter the villagers, raze the buildings, and salt the earth," that's what it says.

Edit 2: I probably didn't do enough to distinguish religion as a historical force from religion as a set of doctrines, but it should be obvious that I'm talking about the latter. Again, Christ did not order the Crusades.

Edit 3: Obviously, even without the convenient doctrine, Israel would be Israel, I'm merely saying the doctrine is convenient.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I do think they are generalizing to strongly in that regard

That's exactly my point. Saying "religions bad" does fucking nothing in the world we live in except establish oneself as an abrasively smug asshole, especially in the context of people currently in dangerous living conditions that may very well be killed in part because of their religious identity.

Especially because of the anti-Jewish smugposting, which involves a religious identity that has a secular side to it and is inherited, such atheist smugposting may as well say "hah, well you're wearing those silly badges! Sucks to suck!" during WW2 Germany.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Saying "religions bad" does fucking nothing in the world we live in except establish oneself as an abrasively smug asshole

Under no circumstances should anyone, especially people that claim to be Marxist, be stepping up to bat for religion. That includes the bizarre belief among some people on this website that the existence of reddit atheists nullifies all criticism of religion online, or that anyone criticizing religion is a reddit atheist. You are projecting a ton of weird shit onto this person for saying that Israel is using Judaism to justify a genocide, which they absolutely are! Netanyahu had fucking biblical visual aids in front of the UN literally today and you're sitting here saying they're "smugposting?"

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