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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (18 children)

Y'know, I had a moment of reflection while reading some of the impressions people had about Space Marine 2. Found one specifically praising it because "it has no wokeness."

I don't get it... I mean, this setting is clearly a dystopian sci-fi horror where pretty much everyone is either an asshole, or cannon fodder, right? What the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c'mon...the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore... it's 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?

It's one of those situations when one realises they like the same thing a lot of very unpleasant people like. And even though the reasons for liking said thing are diametrical opposites, it still leaves one with that sort of... icky feeling... Speaking personally, I almost feel guilty for loving 40k when seeing how a lot of assholes genuinely simp for Big E's Genocidal Utopia...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c'mon...the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore... it's 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?

tbf, I think you’ve kinda hit the nail on the head with that.

Why does it matter in 40k? It would just be irrelevant and therefore not worth mentioning or shoehorning in.

I know the whole “This games woke!” mob are obnoxious, but it does annoy me sometimes when there’s an irrelevant token character when the story doesn’t need it.

Do it properly or don’t do it at all. Stop chucking token characters into stuff just for mass appeal, it’s ultimately a disservice.

Make interesting original characters and stories that revolve around that, rather than trying to cram that into something else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Agreed, I don't want inclusion for inclusion's sake, either! It'd be like the current issue with movies being rebooted to be inclusive. Inclusivity's not the problem, it's that the stories themselves are both unfit and have grown stale. Make something new, make those characters actual characters, give'em their own history, make'em their own entities!

Late edit: to clarify, I still thoroughly believe there's no reason why we can't have diverse characters in 40k! But don't just shove'em in there for the sake of it.

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