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Recent elections in France and the United Kingdom show that a coalition gathering the left, center, and center-left is how we push back the far-right this election. Past elections show this too: that we succeed together and fail when divided.

In the U.S. election of 1932 Franklin Delano Roosevelt led the New Deal Coalition including organized labor, liberals, farmers, ethnic and religious minorities, and intellectuals. [1] That majority empowered Democrats in congress and the presidency to pass progressive policies for decades afterwards including the social security programs and labor protections threatened by Project 2025 today. [2, p.581,605]

In the Weimar Republic elections, before the Nazis took power, the two largest parties KDP (German Communist Party) and SPD (Social Democratic Party) failed to work together. KPD considered SPD a greater threat than the Nazi party while SPD failed to make coalitions and keep promises. [3, p.216,219] Historians disagree on if the two parties could have worked together and if that could have stopped Hitler's rise to power [3, p.217] [4, p.227] but what we do know is that they didn't and the Nazis came for both of them once they won. 40,000 - 50,000 political opponents including SPD and KPD members were taken to concentration camps in 1933 and in the same year political parties were banned. [5]

The left and center in Weimar Germany failed to unite against fascism as a common enemy and lost, the New Deal Coalition voted together and made lasting progress, Britons united behind the Labour party and rejected Conservatives in record numbers [6], the French Republican Front pushes the far-right back again and again. [7] We can succeed when we unite against the far-right. No more infighting while so much is at stake. The way forward is Together!

Refrences:

  1. Encyclopædia Britannica. (2024, April 5). Democratic Party. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Party#ref308572
  2. The Heritage Foundation. (2023). Project 2025's Mandate for Leadership. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise
  3. Winkler, H. A. (1990). Choosing the Lesser Evil: The German Social Democrats and the Fall of the Weimar Republic. Journal of Contemporary History, 25(2/3), 205–227. http://www.jstor.org/stable/260730
  4. Ticktin, Hillel (1992). Trotsky's political economy of capitalism. Brotherstone, Terence; Dukes, Paul,(eds). Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 978-0-7486-0317-6.
  5. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. (2019, June 18) Nazi Political Violence in 1933. Holocaust Encyclopedia. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/introduction-to-the-holocaust.
  6. Maclellan, K., James, W., & Young, S. (2024, July 5) New PM Starmer pledges to rebuild Britain after years of chaos. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/new-pm-starmer-pledges-action-not-words-fix-britain-2024-07-05.
  7. Leicester, J. (2024, July 8) The far right seemed to have a lock on France’s legislative elections. Here’s why it didn’t win. https://apnews.com/article/france-elections-le-pen-antisemitism-macron-5c4c8fa261b0fa2f2e35c14c072a60b4.
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That's not what happened. The right wing vote got split by dummies wanting to vote for a party further to the right than their normal brand and the centre voted for the party that was still in the centre. I mean it was a good result in that the Normal Dummy Party got kicked out but if you look at the history they have been in control for most of the past two centuries because the electorate of this country are mainly right-leaning dummies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Are you talking about Weimar Germany’s election or the US election of 1932? I ask because the third and fourth place in the US election of 1932 were the socialist and communist parties that were more aligned with FDR than they were with Hoover.

Edit: I realize now you’re likely talking about the UK elections but I still don’t think I agree with your assessment

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's pure maths. The Tory votes plus the Reform votes is a bigger sum than the Labour vote. Listen. I have to live here with these fucks so I don't like it any more than you do. But without the collapse in the Tory vote it wouldn't have mattered what Keir Starmer or Ed Davey did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Looking back at the numbers, I agree. The Labour victory was much more of not voting Conservative than it was uniting against the far-right. The French Republican Front was a much better example. They had one round with far-right gains and voted together in the second round effectively pushed Le Pen's party out of the majority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Even worse than that, the far right, as represented by Reform, did better than they have previously done and could yet cause us more problems come the next general election. It's possible that the centrist government that's just been elected will manage effectively enough to kill a lot of the sense of grievance that is currently being harnessed by Reform and directed against immigrants but it's equally possible that another global recession could tank that entire programme.

Still and all I appreciate you coming in here to talk with me about how your thinking has changed. I agree that the French very much did what you say they did. I don't know if there are still people alive who remember the Vichy government but it could be that amongst the traditionally conservative people in their seventies and eighties there's still a horror about what the Nazis wrought.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I was busy thinking you were assuming that the liberal democrats were just spurned moderate (relatively speaking) Tory voters but you may be right for reform. Still, some people choose to not vote when they feel a party doesn’t align with their views but that’s an impossible to quantify hypothetical.

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