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Meme transcription: Panel 1. Two images of JSON, one is the empty object, one is an object in which the key name maps to the value null. Caption: “Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture”

Panel 2. The Java backend dev answers, “They’re the same picture.”

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ya, having null semantics is one thing, but having different null and absent/undefined semantics just seems like a bad idea.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago

Not really, if absent means "no change", present means "update" and null means "delete" the three values are perfectly well defined.

For what it's worth, Amazon and Microsoft do it like this in their IoT offerings.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

Except, if you use any library for deserialization of JSONs there is a chance that it will not distinguish between null and absent, and that will be absolutely standard compliant. This is also an issue with protobuf that inserts default values for plain types and enums. Those standards are just not fit too well for patching

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've never once seen a JSON serializer misjudge null and absent fields, I've just seen developers do that.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Well, Jackson before 2.9 did not differentiate, and although this was more than five years ago now, this is somewhat of a counter example

Also, you sound like serializers are not made by developers

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bruh, there's a difference between the one or two serializing packages used in each language, and the thousands and thousands and thousands of developers who miscode contracts after that point.

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