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Growing food bank lines are a sign that society has lost its way, a Groceries and Essentials Benefit would help the most vulnerable citizens (www.thestar.com)
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Nine million Canadians worry about where their next meal will come from.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Well, if you're talking about just food, shelter, and some very basic kind of transportation (no planes!), sure, there's no scarcity. That's a very low bar, though, and most people don't want to live at the subsistence level.

Can you link to the original proposal, so I know what we're talking about?

[–] Murdoc 1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Well, if you’re talking about just food, shelter, and some very basic kind of transportation (no planes!), sure, there’s no scarcity. That’s a very low bar, though, and most people don’t want to live at the subsistence level.

No, I mean a high standard of living, according to what is possible at the time. Good homes, plenty of good food, easy transportation wherever you want to go in the country, etc.

Can you link to the original proposal, so I know what we’re talking about?

I can get you the older stuff sure, but it was written for a different audience. You'll most likely do better with a starting point like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

No, I mean a high standard of living, according to what is possible at the time. Good homes, plenty of good food, easy transportation wherever you want to go in the country, etc.

I guarantee there's more people who might like to travel than planes and fuel to move them. Expanding the sector requires a variety of inputs, which themselves are in shortage.

I can get you the older stuff sure, but it was written for a different audience. You’ll most likely do better with a starting point like this.

Please do. I did read through that page and a few other places on the website. It explains that it's a new economic system, but not how it works.

[–] Murdoc 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I guarantee there’s more people who might like to travel than planes and fuel to move them. Expanding the sector requires a variety of inputs, which themselves are in shortage.

There will always be some things that will be scarce, yes, like say space travel, that will have to be dealt with by other means. The point is that there are more than enough other things that can be provided in abundance to give everyone a high standard of living. And once the inefficiencies of the current system are removed, even many scarce things (like air travel) will be far more available than they are now.

Please do. I did read through that page and a few other places on the website. It explains that it’s a new economic system, but not how it works.

There are a couple pages that go over the basics (e.g. The Energy Certificate), but if you want more details I just need a way to get a couple of pdfs to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Eh, never mind. I don't really have an email attached to this account, and I'm not invested enough to set something up just for this. Where's the Energy Certificate page? It looks like that's one of the things that's not linked to during the reconstruction.

[–] Murdoc 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Energy Accounting page is under Technocracy Fundamentals on the beginner's page. The Energy Certificate one is much longer and older (for example paper certificates would no longer be used today). I checked and the links work for both.

The other two more comprehensive docs I mentioned should be available now under Technocracy In Print (links are towards the end of their respective descriptions). Let me know if you need any more help or have questions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I see. You might want to make fundamentals it's own page. Or at least make links a different colour from plain text.

[–] Murdoc 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah, we're working on that.

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