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From the article:

"I know for a fact that Wikipedia operates under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, which explicitly states that if you're going to use the data, you must give attribution. As far as search engines go, they can get away with it because linking back to a Wikipedia article on the same page as the search results is considered attribution.

But in the case of Brave, not only are they disregarding the license - they're also charging money for the data and then giving third parties "rights" to that data."

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.

But then I didn't know about Eich's homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Honestly I don't care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it's genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren't doing anything wrong.

Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You don't think there's anything wrong with selling you the 'rights' to other people's content?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are being sold access to their AI model, not just content. OpenAI is doing the same thing, and until the court bans that, it's legally ok, if you are asking morally, then that differs from person to person, and for companies any competitve edge is worth it.

I personally stopped caring as its going to happen anyway, the only way to stop it is the courts to get involved, as any search engine won't be competitve without AI assists.

And even that isn't clear, we don't know if AI learning is fair use or not, they are many arguments on both side, with big names like the EFF siding with the fair use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess I am asking morally. I expect this sort of thing from Bing and Google but it surprised me to see a company that is privacy focused basically trampling over someone elses IP to the point they feel they can offer rights to someone elses content and make money from it.

Obviously, this was before I learned what sort of person Eich is. Now I'm not surprised. I guess we all have to decide if something goes against our own principles enough to use/not use something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's nothing privacy invasive. It's a way to improve their search engine, these hit pieces against brave always get over amplified for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Privacy invasive or not, it's not right what they're doing and, in my opinion, speaks to their ethics as a company. That in turn leads me to mistrust choices they might make in the future, including regarding privacy.

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