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    [–] Piemanding 2 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    DRM is what publishers and developers want. If Valve didn't have DRM they wouldn't be anywhere near as big as they are today. The influx of developers happened when Steam released their DRM for the public.

    [–] lemmeee 1 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    And that makes it ethical? DRM-free stores exist: gog.com and itch.io for example.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    They are not DRM free. They verify your ownership before letting you download games.

    [–] lemmeee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    They are DRM-free. I can send you a copy of those games and you can run them on your computer. Without you having to log in anywhere or install an additional proprietary application. Without anyone verifying anything. Isn't that amazing?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    By that definition Steam is DRM free too. I can download tons of my games, pack and send them to you and they'll work. My rough estimate is that about half of all games are like that. Half of the remaining games rely on Steam environment for community or multiplayer functionality.

    [–] lemmeee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Some games on Steam are DRM-free and you can play them without running Steam. That is good, but you still need the proprietary Steam client to download them and Steam doesn't tell you which games have DRM before you buy them. gog.com and itch.io prove that this can be done better.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    but you still need the proprietary Steam client to download them

    You do. But hey you end up with DRM free games you like so much. By the way why so you even want games? Aren't most of them unethical?

    gog.com and itch.io prove that this can be done better.

    Gog offline installers are also unethical, no?

    [–] lemmeee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    You do. But hey you end up with DRM free games you like so much.

    But to get there I have to use unethical proprietary software that I hate so much.

    By the way why so you even want games? Aren’t most of them unethical?

    Who said I do?

    Gog offline installers are also unethical, no?

    Of course. This is why itch.io is better than gog.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    But to get there I have to use unethical proprietary software that I hate so much.

    Have to use that to get more unethical software. I see no problem.

    Who said I do?

    Games don't come with the source code. It's unethical software by your definition.

    This is why itch.io is better than gog.

    Do they provide ethical installers?

    [–] lemmeee 1 points 8 months ago

    Games don’t come with the source code.

    Most of them don't, but some do. Just like with programs and apps.

    Do they provide ethical installers?

    They don't provide any, you just download the game itself. Or you can use their Free Software client, which will download and update the games for you.

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