959
This meme is from 2004. History repeats itself.
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
959 points (77.0% liked)
Memes
45902 readers
1415 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If civilians are civilians...
"Amongst Israelis, 69% of those killed were civilians and 31% members of the IDF. The number of Israeli civilians killed, from attacks by Palestinian armed groups or individuals, has declined steadily, peaking in 2002 at an average of 22 deaths per month, and dropping markedly to an average of one civilian per month in 2007. 6/
In contrast to Israeli figures, however, Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month."
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/
Both sides kill civilians with abandon, and Israel is markedly better at it. Major media doesn't seem to care very much about Palestinian civilians though.
But it’s not because of a lack of trying. Israel has the iron dome. Since then the death’s declined. They protect the civilians, that’s why the deaths declined.
Fair, but the point is that there is no side here playing by the no civilians rule, yet only Palestinians are called out for it.
The headline of the newest chapter in this shitshow for some reason is "How could Hamas attack Civilians?! Civilians?!" When the reality is that hasn't really been a red line to the Israeli government or Hamas. Never has been.
Its evil all day, don't get me wrong. The twisted thing is that somehow Israel is somehow perpetually marketed as being the good guys playing by the rules of engagement in spite of being no different with regards to killing non-enemy combatants.
Why are israeli civilian concert goers a global tragedy, while Palestinian civilian casualties past and present just another thursday? Why doesn't the world lose its shit at 10 Palestinian civilians killed a month? Are Palestinians somehow universally recognized as having less value as human beings than Israelis?
Yes, at least among Western media and its consumers
Because it’s not that easy. billions a year go into Gaza as a humanitarian aid each year. So the world cares. The sad thing is, the 24h news cycle isn’t interested in a thing that happens regularly but at outlier. You also don’t get a report every time the iron dome successfully repelled an attack. The death of the people in Gaza is also „planned“ by Hamas to use as a tool to get support from the people and other Arab states, and to get footage to paint Israel as the most evil, to justify their dschihad
Because the terrorists are specifically targeting civilians whereas Israel is targeting military targets that the terrorists put a bunch of human shields around
It is the exact opposite. Israel continuously brutalizes even Palestinian civilians in their own territories, without any military supporting them whatsoever.
I'm glad we can agree that hamas are terrorists and not an actual military at least
What definition of "terrorist" are we using here by which Israel isn't 100x more terrorist?
The one where specifically civilians are targets. The one that that uses hospitals and elementary schools and civilian apartments as rocket launch sites. The one that explicitly calls for the complete destruction of the other state in its charter. Need I go on?
Ahh, so Israel then. I thought you meant Hamas.
Hmmm that's very highly specific of a definition, and still happens to be Israel.
Ok well I guess this one is Hamas alright. Not really terrorism to seek the downfall of an apartheid state.
Oh so all those people at the peace rally were not civilians. Cool. I'd also love to know which elementary schools and hospitals Israel is using as a base to launch rockets into ... anywhere really. At least now others will see how deluded you are and know not to take anything you say at face value.
Yeah not all of them. This was a rave dance held at the gates of a concentration camp, with many armed personnel and tanks in sight, and minutes from the Gaza division Re'im base.
There are plenty of examples. Tel Aviv has dozens of military bases near dense residential areas and even hospitals. This is very easily verifiable on Google maps, and articles have been written on this. Here's an example:
Hospital: https://maps.app.goo.gl/CyAaK7u78fNQJNt17
Military bases: https://maps.app.goo.gl/LKF8rFcrEC7cqQzA8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/eETyujgrr7bjjL629 https://maps.app.goo.gl/TMVvK6SZ4wn4NNui9
Israel can very easily afford not to do this. Gaza is the 2nd - 3rd most densely populated area in the world, only 12 km in width. It is a concentration camp.
Having security at an event doesn't make it not be a primarily civilian target. It's especially ironic that hamas targeted a peace festival that was sympathetic to their cause. I imagine it's because they don't want peace
These are not hospitals and elementary schools from which rockets are being launched. They are based near a hospital which eminently sensible for any military that values its soldiers.
Auschwitz, a famously prolific and reasonably large camp was less than half a kilometer in width. Please don't cheapen the experience of those rounded up at gunpoint and forced into cattlecars by comparing it to that of people who moved into an area whose inhabitants were forcefully evacuated (Israel forced its own citizens out at gunpoint in 2005. If hamas had any interest in Israel continuing to give them the land they wouldn't use the land given to them to pull this kind of crap)
I'm sure the cutting of water and electricity to an entire population was something the Israelis were forced to do too...
That's a funny way to say "Israel has continued to fire at defenseless civilians"