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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

tehre is no reason to believe non-human animals can participate in an ethical society, so there is no reason to include them in our ethical systems.

But we do. You mentioned how you ought not to kick a dog, for instance. The difference is that we treat some animals as companions while treating others as resources for exploitation. If you truly believe that there is no reason to be ethical to animals, why not kick that dog? Or maybe boil it alive?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why not kick that dog?

again, kant discourages cruelty as a practice toward non-human animals, as it may lead to practicing cruelty toward people. that's it. it's not including them in our morality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Okay, then why is animal agriculture not a bad thing? It's highly violent which can lead to violence against people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

practicing cruelty is bad, but animal agriculture is not cruelty in and of itself. if a particular operation is acting cruelly, they should be admonished.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

animal agriculture is not cruelty in and of itself. if a particular operation is acting cruelly, they should be admonished.

I would argue that animal agriculture is cruelty in and of itself. It's forcing animals into small cages, forcibly impregnating them, stealing their babies, cutting off their tails, and then painfully murdering them. It's a cruel operation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't make you see the cruelty. That's something that every person needs to see on their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree that agriculture is inherently cruel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And that's not something I'll be able to change your mind on. You can watch some documentaries such as Dominion if you are interested. Just be warned, it's of course very violent (as animal agriculture inherently is)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've seen dominion. it's propaganda designed to inflict trauma, not a a sober analysis of humanitarian slaughter laws and practices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no humane slaughter. That's the point. Also watching it was your own choice. It's designed to make the viewer uncomfortable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s designed to make the viewer uncomfortable.

yea. it uses well-known horror film techniques to induce trauma. sudden loud sounds, long sustained shots from awkward angles, long periods of loud sounds. it's not a documentary, it's a lesson on abusing audiences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you get trauma whenever you watch a horror movie?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

like sleeplessness, nightmares, vomiting/nausea? sometimes.