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[–] [email protected] 298 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's completely accepted when CEOs and other executives serve on multiple boards or even run more than one company. Companies demanding 100% of any employee are just abusing labor and embracing unequal labor practices, and those practices aren't against any law, companies just make up their own 'policies' to try and make their own laws.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also have no problem when blue collar workers work 2 or even 3 jobs to get by.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Because we aren't people, we're meat machines. We don't deserve a living wage and it's expected of us to be working every second we're awake. Do you let your tools rest?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you let your tools rest?

I do, better for their long term durability.

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[–] [email protected] 262 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Couldn't you just pay them enough so that they don't need a second job?

[–] [email protected] 143 points 1 year ago (21 children)

The article also quotes

to "cheat" the system

As if people working two jobs are stealing and not working in exchange for proper value of money.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's because the system is designed to keep us paid just enough to live and keep buying from companies, but not enough to have true independence. Working two jobs is cheating that system by giving you more money and freedom than they want you to have. Once you have financial security you can start to wonder about how fucked up this "system" truly is.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Except they're not even paying us enough to live anymore

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Most of these people are over paid actually. Making without stock over 150k and then around the same in RSUs or more.

The issue is many folks were only doing like 3 or 4 hr a day and then double dipped to collect another paycheck because they had the time to. I don't necessarily fault them.

Friend of mine intentionally took a boring bank job making like 50k less than he was making (so around $125k a yr) so he could coast as a high performer there then planned and did find another gig in Pacific time (were east Coast) and then pulled two checks and still only worked like 42 hr a week.

This is the true reason there making work from home optional.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

sad to have to come this far down to see this.

normalizing needing multiple jobs means soon we will be much more overworked....

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Why would they ever do that? Only reason they would even consider such thing if if they are forced or if it somehow directly benefits them short-term. Maybe not even short-term because not doing so helps keeping people suppressed and lessens any threats to them.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If someone is completing what you ask of them, the ONLY reason anyone would ever care about what they do with their time is ego. But muh underlings! But muh meeting attendees! But muh sense of power!

Dinosaur companies will continue to suffer as they should.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Finally someone with authority says it!

Nobody would complain about a freelancer with multiple clients, even at the same time, provided they got their work done on time and on budget. Why isn’t it the same for employees? Why do bosses get to treat them like clients from hell?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying they're justified in this, because frankly if someone is getting their work done, what they do outside of work hours isnt their boss's business, but I can kinda imagine why a company might not like their employees to have a second job; people only have so much effort to give (consider all those stats people bring up whenever people talk about shortening the workweek, to the effect that working more hours diminishes productivity per hour and gives diminishing or even negative returns compared to fewer hours in many cases) and so a company might decide that an employee with a second job might not be as productive for them as they would be otherwise, due to being exhausted. Though really, if they do it's honestly the company's fault for paying so little as for someone to need a second job in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

CEOs and executives do this regularly, so unless their jobs are a lot simpler than they're claiming the "attention" argument is moot. They pay me to do a thing. I do the thing. They pay me what they'd say they'd pay. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Frankly I don't imagine CEOs and executives take a whole lot of effort, at least for sufficiently large companies (small business are a whole different animal of course). I can't speak to how complicated it is to do those jobs, or how easy or difficult they are, but the mere fact that people who are so rich as to not need to work at all to live a lavish life, will often still take on jobs like that, speaks volumes I think.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Considering that it is apparently possible to be in charge of like 6 different companies at once and still spend your entire day shitposting on Twitter, corporate fatcats obviously aren't actually supposed to do anything productive as part of their day-to-day tasks.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FWIW, Microsoft explicitly allows having multiple jobs. Their policy basically amounts to "don't cross the streams".

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they aren’t “double dipping.” that phrase means “taking more than you are allowed.” having a second job is just having a second job. the person writing the title either is tone def or doesn’t agree with the article.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The double dipping is referring to doing both jobs simultaneously. Like two remote jobs and you have both work laptops open, so between two jobs you can work 40 hours per week but be paid for 80. It's distinctly different from clocking in for one job, then clocking out and going to another job and clocking in for that job.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If both sets of 40 hours are meeting goals then the company can shut the fuck up, morally speaking.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

You're basically just criticizing capitalism for being stupid and inefficient, and I 100% agree with you.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (13 children)

double dipper

I wanna laser focus in on this phrase in particular because I think it's bullshit. No one is double dipping, no one's getting paid twice to do one job. You do a job, it's to the satisfaction of your employer, they pay you. That is and has always been the deal. If I can do two jobs to the satisfaction of two employers I deserve and am entitled to two paychecks.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah but employers want to be the only party who can have their cake and eat it by giving one person the work of three people and calling them 'cross-trained.'

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The real question is why do people need 2 jobs? If its just ambition or wtv then ok, but if its out of the need to pay the bills and just get by, why is it happening? Or course its convenient for this mfers to say that. Better have people working multiple jobs to get by and keep their mouth shut then having them rebeling, joinin unions, protesting and so on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have a job where the unspoken agreement is they under pay you but you get to underwork proportionally to your favor. I'm more ambitious so I spend the free time on more work. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more of a benefit to software people than most workers

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

He is specifically talking about people who are able to work from home who are generally employed full time. However he does point to workers who absolutely need to work two jobs to make ends meet as a reason why it should be viewed as okay. That is definitely problematic. Those people working two jobs just to live would definitely prefer to work just one.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Sounds like there is a very easy solution to this : pay people more so they don't have to take a second job ?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Working multiple jobs is a part of the fabric of the working world

is this guy for real? is this a common thought in America?

Does it sound fucking dystopic only to me?!

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