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Watched Louis Rossman today, and he's part of the team behind a new app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

adblock already integrated, works amazingly with a quick test on my end - it's an app in the Lemmy spirit

(it's got a paid model similar to winrar, you don't have to pay - but they do want you to - opensource and all)

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 year ago (10 children)

basically Newpipe but only source available, not really free software or open source, so they are restricting your freedoms.

Just keep using Newpipe instead.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It is open source but you can't publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

plus you missed the entire point:

... app for watching online video content - not just youtube, but nebula, peertube, twitch and more.

It's an app that allows you to watch the same creators across many platforms

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That’s not the problem. The question is, stopping actors that put ads and paywalls behind modified source, which technically isn’t malicious, it’s just being a jerk and this licensing makes it much easier to take down. Ofc, if he actually wanted it to be open source, he’d just force all derivatives to be non commercial.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, at least in this case he can take down fake copies from the most popular app stores. That mitigates the reach of malicious clones a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The term "open source" generally refers to the definition by the Open Source Initiative.

https://opensource.org/osd/

Not allowing publishing of modified source code is in violation with the criteria of open source.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is open source but you can’t publish modified code (this is to ensure there will be no malicious forks like there was with newpipe)

  1. that is not open source. That is source available.

  2. because we all know that license agreements are a line that trojan distributors will not cross. Not malware distribution, not hacking laws, but copyright infringement. They'd never do that at all.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I could not find a link to the source on the website 🤔 do you know where the source is?

Edit: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It's not open source. It's source available.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago

It is an interesting project, not sure where it goes. The title is deeply misleading though. The features of ReVanced make YouTube so much better, whereas this project doesn't seem to be about making YouTube better so much as circumnavigating YouTube for the comment boxes and as your hub to creators. They seem to be doing different things.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So, I really want to be optimistic about this project. I love that it integrates multiple sources, that it lets you use different identities that are not attached to any of these services. I installed it and already paid for it even, because I love initiatives like this.

I think it's unsustainable. In 5 years, everyone who'd use the app's already paid for it, which means the devs have no incentive to continue to work, and funding dries up. When that happens, they'll of course just let the app run until the plugins stop working. Nobody will be able to pick it up and continue development in an open forum because it's not FLOSS.

My hope is they re-license it under a copyleft license later, but I'm not optimistic about that happening. With how things are now, it does appear to be doomed to enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah FOSS or FLOSS (your teeth ^^) is the only viable solution we have found that really works. It's like Democracy IMO, criticize them all you want but that's the only ones that works over time.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (10 children)

ReVanced taps into my history with microg. When I watch stuff on desktop with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I want those videos to show as watched on my phone when I open ReVanced so I don't get recommended the same stuff. That works.

GrayJay can't do this. It's not better. It's a good idea, but it's a side grade.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Grayjay can do this - there is a toggle in the settings for the YouTube addin to sync watch data with your Google account.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just want Smarttube Next for mobile.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wouldn't classify it as a better revanced, but that doesn't matter, thanks for sharing this awesome tool I really liked it, I first started incorporating Matrix in my life, then a couple days ago Lemmy, and now this, it's great

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just bought the FUTO voice input app as well from them and it's genuinely amazing. It has punctuation where it needs to. It cuts out all the UM's. And the best part is, I don't have to pretend that I'm talking to a robot. I can just speak as if I'm talking to a normal person and it gets it right nearly every single time. It is so worth the $5.

This entire comment was typed with it, and I did not edit a single thing.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It sounds interesting, but... Android only? I don't actually watch much video on my phone. It's mostly on my desktop browser.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not optimal, but using Waydroid on Linux, Android apps feel almost like they run natively (no need to start a emulator manually).

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's not enough to make work around for YouTube. We need a new YouTube.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but with the ability to combine all competitors in a single feed a significant hurdle has been removed

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is there SponserBlock support?

If it supported both SponserBlock and DeArrow I'd switch in a heartbeat. Until then I'll stick to ReVanced.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really hope they add sponsorblock and dearrow support in the future because this is a truly awesome app.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was excited about this but it's mobile only?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With how locked down mobile is compared to desktop I think it's a good thing to start with mobile

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

The issue with all this is the general architecture of the internet, web browsers and programming languages and such aren't going to fundamental change just because Google needs to see more ad revenue.

The harder they try to stick with this method of profiteering the harder the push back will be. There will always be ad block as long as there are ads.

All they're doing is showing their cards and setting themselves up for defeat!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like libretube pretty interface and you can login to piped instance to sync your subs and playlists all without Google account.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sadly it's for the large part the recommendation algorithm that I'm on YouTube for. Most of the videos I watch are from people I'm not subscribed to.

[–] newIdentity 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It also has that. You can login with google

You don't even need to subscribe and get recommendations

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I've always wondered if people like you existed! Fascinating.

Not criticizing you, just personally I don't want any recommendation algos in any of my media.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah people have mixed opinions about that, but atleast in my case YouTube's recommendations does a really good job at finding content I'm interested in. It just needs some training for it to do a good job. When there's something I'm not interested in, I just flag it as "not interested" and then that stuff dissapears and is replaced with something else.

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