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I'm in a dilemma, I think ownership of media is important, but the convenience of Spotify and the algorithm of new music that it suggests has helped me find amazing artists that I wouldn't have heard of otherwise.

Fellow sailors, what are your thoughts, and how do you personally listen to music?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe its a generational thing but I prefer having a Plex / Plexamp serveur with all my music as FLAC on my home server. I can better curate my collection and it's available everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plexamp is awesome, and the UI/UX is gorgeous in my opinion!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I absolutely agree. Android Auto / Apple Car Play (or whatever the name) is awesome as well

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spotify to find artists

Plex/VLC/winamp to continue listening after discovering them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nice middle-ground!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

https://github.com/Team-xManager/xManager/releases Free Spotify

Mostly, I've downloaded all my music and stream through Navidrome. But I'll use above in a pinch.

Personal library is 0 compromise, except for the convenience. There are plenty of songs in my library that aren't on Spotify or any other. All my music is FLAC. Uncensorable. I get star ratings and favorites.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Mixing and matching is the best option, mostly.

I like to have my personal favorite albums and non-streaming albums in my drive, but if i download something new, most of the time it will just stay there and i'll never listen to it.

Streaming is wayyy better for discovering music (and also not making your hard drive full). If for every album you want to listen to you need to download, it sometimes lets you out of great music because of simple lazyness lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Local copy for life. Streaming is just renting by a nicer name. I don't want to pay for the rest of my life to access the same content. I'll buy CDs and I'll buy DRM-free FLAC files if available, but otherwise I'm pirating the FLAC copy or, if worst comes to worst, ripping the audio from YouTube (too many new artists/YT artists don't offer lossless downloads). I'm not paying for something I don't get to keep.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Local library. I don't want to pay for things I don't own. Streaming services also can remove/ disable music any time. I also don't need recommendation algorithms I think they are biased. I can easily discover new artists on blogs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nice! Any suggestions on what blogs I should go to for some recommendations?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have Ampache running on a self hosted server, which has desktop and mobile apps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know why you were down voted but thanks for this. I'm doing some research on it now. So here take this upvote

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ampache with dsub has been my good enough solution for years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I've got a local library that I stream with using Subsonic/Airsonic-compatible APIs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i use spotify premium (on someone else's family account). it's.. a close thing really. i definitely wouldn't pay for it if i weren't getting it for free

for:

  • it's the best option for music discovery
    • out of
      • youtube music
      • deezer
      • local music
    • i have so many songs in my library i never would have heard without spotify, and when i stopped using it for a while my intake decreased drastically
    • this is due to
      • being able to follow artists, and get notified of new releases
      • their "enhance your playlist feature (and the ai dj i guess, but it's shit)
      • quickly adding songs to a playlist i can listen to later, if i get recommendations off a friend
  • handy if using a friends phone, i can just open my playlist and add stuff to a queue
    • it's also easy for friends to send me links to songs
  • quick and easy to add new or remove old songs, if you have a high library turnover
    • (i probably add ~30 songs / month)
  • easy to sync library between devices
  • very easy to add a song that isn't in your library to the queue
  • most songs have time-synced lyrics, if you're a karaoke fan
  • songs come with correct id3 tags, if you care about that
    • although this means there's no way to edit them yourself

against:

  • the app is really, really bad, and spotify doesn't allow 3rd party clients
    • it often stops playing when not connected to internet
    • it's very laggy and slow to load
    • i can't reorder the queue when listening to their suggestions
    • can't select multiple songs on mobile (to add to playlists
    • only just got a sleep timer, and doesn't support "wait until end of track"
    • has unnecessary data wasting, like canvas and "explore your genres"
    • seems to use some weird custom ver. of the android music api, often doesn't display correct information on speakers with a display, and doesn't play nicely with klwp
  • the desktop client is better, but still worse than any other music player i've used
    • it's an electron app as well (possibly the android one is as well, judging by performance)
  • limited library. it has more than one might expect, but not everything
    • songs are often removed from my library, or replaced with inferior versions (e.g. british way of life)
  • you can sync your local music to it, but only using the desktop client and it then doesn't work if you use any spotify features (e.g. playlist blend, spotify connect, remote queue, etc.)

i'll edit with more if i think of anything else

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very detailed! I agree with everything, but I especially dislike the data usage aspect of it, it just eats up data like crazy, especially on a 5G network, oh and the battery drain on my phone too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yeah it's dumb, i'd rather just search for a song but i can't do that without loading about 7 ads, 3 of which are reasonably high def animated images

i don't usually search for new songs when i'm out and about, but if i did this would probably put me off completely

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Support your favourite artists by buying their merchandise and going to shows.

[–] LlamaSutra 2 points 1 year ago

I stream because I like discovering new artists that I don’t know about. Otherwise keeping everything on a drive is probably better considering that you have full control over it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

por qué no los dos?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Give ViMusic (for Android) a try. It's free in F-Droid. It's like Spotify but uses Youtube Music for the backend.

I have a Spotify account and never use it anymore. ViMusic is great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Streaming for discovery, private tracker to get it in FLAC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with OP that it is best to have DRM free files. For music recommendations, I use a Scrobber plugin for Last.fm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I stream music because you can get just about everything with any service you choose at a reasonable price. I don't do the same for movies and TV shows because that option isn't available. If it was, my laziness may get me to stop pirating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I have a library of albums that I like and that I want to support the artists. It's all uploaded to YouTube Music (CD rips and purchased files) so I can stream if I want to but for listening at home it's all local.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Local library for me for sure!

I discover new music through friends, Shazam, and browsing Youtube Music.

With ~6k songs I don't get bored that fast.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not being an avid consumer of music, I only use Spotify.

Specifically to listen in my car or at home. I don’t use it anywhere else, so I don’t need to keep a offline library.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have tens of thousands of songs in my home computer but I prefer to just use Spotify when I am outside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have my local library on my computer, and then use iTunes Match to stream it to all of my devices. I had originally subscribed to Apple Music when it came out, but realized that I only really listened to music that I already had purchased.

When I found out about iTunes Match, and that it cost $25 / year instead of a monthly subscription, I switched to that and I've been happy ever since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This totally depends on YOU and how you consume music. I am an analog collector who has a small collection of cassette tapes and vinyl to play at home for gatherings. But then I have spotify for the car and for showering lol.

I have a smart TV with ReVanced so I don't get commercials/ads on YouTube and can play music there too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I used my local library for most of my life. Grew up with crappy internet so that necessitated downloading everything to make sure I got no hiccups when it finally came time to listen. Since starting work I began using Spotify (as a way to take all my music with me, had no alternative at the time) and continue to alternate between both. Streaming is nice and all but dependent on internet and given my experience, it's better to have a local library. It's just more reliable. Spotify's great for music discovery though and has made my local library grown significantly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I stream music off of YouTube, or download it from there. Mainly using NewPipe.

However I do host my own TV shows and movies using jellyfin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I stream because it helps me discover new artists, and makes it effortless. I do have my own library though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I use streaming for music these days. For one, I'm able to get either cheap or free premium services via some tricks (Apple Music currently has an exploitable, constant free trial through Shazam). I'd still consider paying for a service, though, if I had to.

For me, I consume music much differently than other media. For shows, movies, and literature, I typically only watch or read something once ever, at the most once every year. This means I don't feel the need to retain or backup most things. I still keep what I acquire while I have space on my NAS, but there are no backups and if I ever need to free up space, I know the first volume to clean up.

Music I constantly listen to over and over. If I go through the effort of acquiring something, I'll need to make sure the metadata is consistent. When I had my old collection, I'd have to make sure it was backed up to cloud storage because I couldn't risk losing all that music I had found and curated. I found I was approaching the point where my monthly costs of backing up to Glacier-like services was beginning to approach the monthly cost of streaming. Plus, despite some of the discovery algorithms being terrible, it's still been a useful tool for discovering new music. I'm also able to take streaming on the go, I cannot take the entire library I curated. I'm not someone who knows ahead of time what I'll want to listen to.

I suppose this was all a long-winded way to say the cost-benefit analysis no longer made sense for keeping local music files for me. Part of it is streaming music services roughly have everything I want to listen to. I don't need to subscribe to 5 different services like video platforms. Music streaming services, at least now, mostly understand that they need to be more convenient that pirating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can stream but not subscribe in a few ways.

You can build a collection of music on your own server using Navidrome, Nextcloud Music, Jellyfin, or Plex (proprietary) and then stream it to devices. You can find music with Soulseek (Nicotine+), torrent, and other methods.

You can stream Spotify, Youtube, Soundcloud, Bandcamp and others without any account or advertising. Many of these tools for doing so also allow you to download the music. Newpipe, Nuclear, Spotube..

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