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Authors using a new tool to search a list of 183,000 books used to train AI are furious to find their works on the list.

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[–] mindbleach 5 points 1 year ago

Of course books were used - and why not?

These are English-language models. They're trained on an English-language corpus. Ideally, the entire history of published works. They're in public, for public consumption. That's what "published" means. Nobody broke into an author's house to steal their secrets. The machine that writes is skimming the whole library to find out how to write gooder.

If they used a literal library - shelves full of dead trees - would people still insist the authors were never paid? Are we supposed to pretend a robot scanning a book a thousand times is fundamentally worse than a hundred people borrowing it? I guarantee you each human got more out of it. These stupid robots have to plow through an entire shelf just to figure out what "fantasy" means.

The more works we shovel into these things, the less each individual work counts. The model does not get bigger. Each work's unique impact shrinks as statistical patterns get generalized.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone’s a fan of fair use until it’s their work that is transformed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Does this fall under fair-use part of copyright?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The training argument is probably going to come up dry by the time the court works its way through expert testimony, as the underlying argument for training as infringement is insane.

But where OpenAI is probably in hot water is that torrenting 100k books in the first place runs afoul of existing copyright legislation.

Everyone is debating the training in these suits, but the real meat and potatoes is going to be the initial infringement of obtaining the books, not how they were subsequently used.

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