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Since IVPN and Mullvad are both phasing out port forwarding, are there any alternatives? I am not looking for something like NordVPN which is a privacy nightmare. AirVPN is also not private enough considering I’ve seen reports online of ISPs sending out DMCA letters of gold to its users.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I switched to protonvpn recently and it seems pretty good, I was getting a lot of websites blocking me when I was using PIA and that seems to not be a problem with proton.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I suspect ProtonVPN will remove port forwarding soon enough. Mullvad had valid concerns with removing port forwarding, and I expect the industry to agree. I'm not sure what the answer to this problem is.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They literally just launched portforwarding on proton vpn this year

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Some people here are saying i2p may be the future https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/259433 Sounds like Qbittorrent is planning to provide i2p support too. So hopefully port forwarding won't matter as much for future releases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The main issue with I have with how the current i2p implementation works is that it essentially creates a walled garden in the torrent network, as i2p users can't seed out to non-i2p users, they can only leech from them. I feel like that would needlessly split the network, which relies on having as many people as possible seeding. Frankly I don't know if its even possible to work around that, but I'll need to see how it plays out. Also, there needs to be at least one person with a port forwarded on any given torrent. utp only peers cannot seed independently, from my understanding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think i2p or something similar where people can run a router and provide bandwidth to the network and help hide what other users are downloading (which is how i2p works but its not super fast sadly)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw someone say that Proton implemented their port forwarding in a different way than Mullvad that negates a lot of the issues that caused them to axe it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hi, I looked into this and from what I can gather, ProtonVPN gives out temporary ports for port forwarding. I'm not 100% how long these ports are leased for, but as long as you run a script like this to move your torrent client's port around to match ProtonVPN's, I can see how this would work. It's not perfect, but it's workable. I wonder if Mullvad will implement something like this to achieve parity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah that sounds right. I use Proton and the ports are randomly assigned when you connect. I just manually put the port in qbittorrent each time, it's not too much trouble.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about Windscribe? They seem to have port forwarding available.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But they fixed the issue, and documented on why it happened and how it got fixed on their blog. Pretty transparent to me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, they fixed things and owned up to it, best you can do when you fuck things up: https://blog.windscribe.com/ukrainian-server-seizure-a-commentary-and-state-of-the-industry-e71e8d205b26/. I feel like people give them too much shit for this, just like with that Proton climate activist case

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Though Proton was barely affected since everyone started to dickride them for all their other services. Unfair treatment, but that's what the privacy community does nowadays 🤷

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

AirVPN! Been a customer for 7-8 years.

Edit: I see AirVPN was mentioned by op in its post. Regarding it being “not private enough” and reports of users receiving DMCA notices: I highly doubt these reports are correct, and even it they were, I don’t think it would be the fault of AirVPN. From a technical perspective AirVPN is excellent. They offer every feature you can imagine and allow you to work with native WireGuard, OpenVPN or their own client.

But this technical freedom might lead to some misconfigurations out there, like DNS leaking due to not enforcing changes to resolv.conf etc. if you’re not that technical, use their official client.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Big fan of Air. The owner is a cool guy, they support privacy orgs, and the VPN itself is great.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is AirVPN out of the question? They’ve still got port forwarding

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No public audits - I don't trust. Italy is also not exactly a privacy (and personal rights) haven.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's refreshing being on Lemmy and being able to see a good discussion on vps with (unlike reddit) no bot comment spam and no users engaging in paid shilling.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IVPN is getting rid of forwards!? Shit I just bought a year worth after mullavad stopped their port forward.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You keep ports until September (forgot the date). I would recommend looking at Blackhat/scene VPNs if you want port-forwarding and a low chance of them disappearing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sept 30th. Ya, I set a alert. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Torguard supports port forwarding. I'm not sure how it ranks in privacy though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I bought 2 years from them a while ago but was required to:

  1. enter an email
  2. use my address to purchase

Good product though. Horrible SOCKS5 proxies though, almost 90% downtime. Not to foremention the horrible support from the admins - the normal support was amazing though.

Really up to you if you want the compromises, though there are better VPNs for privacy out there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

AzireVPN added port forwarding, it’s also sweden based but lags the audits

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I moved from mullvad to ivpn and now again on the lookout. I guess i2p is “the future” but right now I’m not sure how that works with private trackers.

Whilst you can still torrent without port forwarding I don’t think seeding works right?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OVPN still seems to support port forwarding, though it's worth pointing out they were recently acquired by Pango.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

US-based is really a no-go for me privacy and piracy-wise. Paranoid, prejudiced, but true more often than it should be.

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