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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Wow the 80s were real different. You could advertise as a swinger and it's just chill.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

The secret ninth rule of fight club

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

there’s something hauntingly poetic about the ebb and flows of human compassion coming together to form language that allows the marginalized to express their need for emancipation, only for the inevitable surge of encultured ableism to quell that spark and steal that language for its own purpose. over and over and over. what will break the cycle? will people with disabilities ever get to have a concrete hold on the words they use to describe themselves, or is this a permanent fixture in the world we are forcing onto the disabled?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah that haunting poetry kicks ass.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

In the latest Diagnostic and Statistics Manual (DSM-5-TR), intellectual disability is the term that replaces mental retardation meaning mentally slow or delayed. Before mental retardation, it was mental deficiency implying there was something inferior. To me, there's no real difference between mental deficiency and intellectual disability. They are synonymous. Before the first DSM, a prominent doctor in the field of intelligence created a tiered system of intelligence that applied the labels moron, imbecile, and idiot (ordered higher to lower intelligence). Those words became derogatory too. The issue is not that scientists can't guess the correct term that wont become an insult.

The issue is that society defines values for people which allows terms to be insults. As long as oppression exists, the vulnerable will fall victim to it. The disabled, by definition, will always be part of the vulnerable group. Additionally, oppression is always justified by arguments on who deserves what, whether it be religion, race, sex, social class, work ethic, or intelligence. As long as we hold the value that inequitable distribution is not only acceptable but the ultimate goal of a just society, then regardless of the rules we establish, however noble or virtuous, the disabled will always be part of the oppressed, and thus, the terms for lower intelligence will continually evolve from neutral to derogatory.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

As long as we hold the value that inequitable distribution is not only acceptable but the ultimate goal of a just society, then regardless of the rules we establish, however noble or virtuous, the disabled will always be part of the oppressed, and thus, the terms for lower intelligence will continually evolve from neutral to derogatory.

Preach! 🗣️🗣️🔥

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

The deaf seem to own it. They made up their own language and ableism can't do shit.

But that is the only exception I can think of. (And they are really independent).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Mostly because we don't give a shit what the hearing say about us

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

We were commenting on your nice shoulders but that's fine 😭

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

excellent point! i hope for a future where the same patterns can work for the good of all disabled identities

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Are their other groups that you think experience this? As other poster said, deaf is deaf. Blind is blind. Paraplegic and that family all seem fine. And autism/neurodivergent is having it's heyday as everyone realizes the symptoms are pretty broad and most people express some of those symptoms and most people want to feel unique.

So...what's special about this group?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, different subsets of the disabled community have emancipated their language to different degrees.

Have you ever heard “special olympics” being used as an insult? What about “acoustic” or “neurodivergent”? “Special needs” or “the ‘tism”? Sadly, I have. That’s why, when I see these terms being abused in day to day life, I tend to call it out. I want those words to belong to the people they represent, not people who just want to verbally abuse.

But yeah, asking “what’s special” is sort of the wrong way to think about it. The fight for disability rights has barely started in the grand scheme of things, and it’s only natural that some disabled identities have obtained more broad acceptance than others. Good question though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Special Olympics when I was in middle school or below, I think predominantly from south park fans. It's always a bit cringe to watch shows from the 90s or early 2000s cause sometimes this stuff will randomly appear.

The rest no, most people seem to call themselves neurodivergent or autistic lately. I've never heard of acoustic, had to look it up. I assumed it was something to do with issues handling noise and I was very wrong but right about which group it was mocking.

I think where I'm trying to get to is that for a lot of groups having a label (or if not a label, just knowledge that a concept exists) and find this positive. I know I've heard from several people in the various LGBTQ categories who felt that way, xyz event or discussion was the point they realized the way they feel or are is actually an option and that it's ok. Big deal for them. More precise descriptions of physical disabilities were the first to be broadly understood and accepted. When I was a kid I didn't know anything about autism except some nutjobs wanted to bring back polio, and then we got the concept of Asperger's and a spectrum and neurodivergent and now things are clearly much much better. In contrast to LGBTQ it's more "this is a thing I know about myself and must manage" but still, helpful. But from my PoV I know literally nothing about this situation. I know a bunch of people got upset and tried to phase out retarded. There's some pushback from people who don't get or care why. But in my head that word has no other meaning than calling someone stupid. It's not derogatory to a group, only to an individual. Then one day someone said it was derogatory to some group I'd never met and I should stop using it. And I did, but I still don't really get it. I don't think my experience on this has been out of the ordinary.

So my point here at the end is that it feels like the labeling/marketing is wrong. LGBTQ folks and neurodivergent folks have both found ways to feel superior to straight/"normal"(I don't have a label for this, but it feels weird to say normal when they are in the minority) and to generally reclaim the derogatory terms used against them. So what is that alternative marketing for this group?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Fun fact: word usage changes over time. For example, "idiot" used to be a technical medical term for extreme mental disability. We live in the Age of Information, and if somebody doesn't want to learn about historical context that's actually willful ignorance on their part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

As the word "retarded" transitioned to "the r word" in the 2010s, this was pointed out over and over, that this process has happened over and over. We seem to have an innate yearning to find ways to call people stupid.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

gum ball machine Saw this at a consignment shop a couple months ago, from about that same time period.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Give it a few more years and then "mentally disabled" will be the new retarded. We'll cringe at how people would say they're "disabled".

I work with the mentally disabled and have for a while now. I love my guys but it's so annoying seeing how new terms will come and go throughout the years constantly.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

The Euphemism Treadmill might stop when the term is so clinically dry as "mentally disabled". It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue of a schoolyard bully the way "retarded" does. I dunno, we'll see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

retarded doesn't have any more negative meaning than disabled. it's just about how we use it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Well it's all in the mind of the interpreter. So if you live in a society of self-indulgent solipsists, you gotta respect that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Ha. That's retarded.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 19 hours ago

It just gets shortened to disabled. I've seen it used countless times as an insult.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that "mentally retarded" was the medical term for many decades, before it became cultural lingo. There was something similar for erectile dysfunction too, they used to call you impotent, not exactly a great thing to hear at the doctor's office.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

Culture evolves. I will say, some of the new terms drive me nuts because they technically mean the same thing, but are grammatically awkward or are otherwise clunky when conveying the same message.

Like sure, I technically have a disability, please don't try to frame it as a good thing or something to make it sound better. It just sounds condescending. I don't need pity, I'm living my life to the fullest now :P

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Where can I get one of these shirts..I love it..anyone own a printing press?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

All things are possible with the help of a local maker space

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As I get older, I have more and more sympathy for people who can’t keep up with socially acceptable terminology. At the same time, I have less and less tolerance for people who deliberately use outdated, insulting language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Insisting that people speak a certain way is like insisting that women wear dresses. It's so fundamentalist

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

Skibidy truth.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago

Spoken like a true neurodivergent.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Ah the Euphemism Treadmill. Live long enough and words we use today for intellectual disability will become inappropriate too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

I only really mind when it's done by normies like myself about a minority group that we aren't a part of. Like taking offense on behalf of someone else.

If a group wants to mix up their own terms just because, I'm 100 percent behind them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I am so glad you posted this. Sometimes I get into little arguments about word usage and younger folk truly don't understand how not only commonplace word usage that is considered some sort of insult now but how officially they were used. Near me was a place that helped folks with all sorts of independent living including housing and job training and just counseling and it was called the NSAR and Im almost sure the R was retardation. Think it changed its name and I can't find anything on it now but I did find like this https://mn.gov/mnddc/parallels2/pdf/70s/70/70s-WWH-NARC.pdf

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Whenever medical science came up with a term to describe people with cognitive or intellectual impairments, it eventually became used as a derogatory insult. The R word was going out for a long time before Rosa's Law put the mail in the coffin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Why is retarded considered so offensive that people self censor but idiot isn't? Is it just that retarded reached its peak in the internet era of policing speech or is there something special about the word that makes it much more offensive than idiot or imbecile?

They both have the same meanings, intentions, and ability to be used as an insult.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

A) Time changes culture and language. I have no way to measure, but “idiot” could certainly have been on par with “retard” in its time.

B) The coopting of “retard” came at a time with a more mature disability rights movement. With the ADA passed in 1990, disabled individuals had a much greater capacity to speak out against the theft of their language than was possible in previous iterations of this pattern. You mention this a bit with your “peak internet era” comment, though a more charitable reading of that sentence might be that internet is allowing disabled people to get together and voice their experiences of being harrassed and abused in conjunction with the word, really speaking out for themselves rather than taking it lying down.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

That was simply the euphemism du jour, on the eternal euphemism treadmill.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Here's my random two cents about disability euphemisms.

I personally think "special", which was pretty popular like 10 years ago, was/is pretty demeaning. Even the more recent "differently-abled" feels weird.

I think the plain language of "disability", which seems to have been around quite a while now, is fine. It's what is says on the tin, without judgement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Why does everyone assume it's "eternal" or "never ending"? Each time the euphemisms change, it's due to more inclusivity, more empathy, and more attempts to understand the plight of others. It's reasonable to assume that it'll stop at a point when we reach the right terms. It probably has already, and I just can't think of any examples off the top of my head...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

I mean thing swinging lifestyle is one thing but that might be a bridge too far.

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