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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

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All this is a path to a police state.

In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

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Domestic dispute call left a 2-month old dead from a trigger happy officer. Another news article quoted "It looked like her head exploded" (slrpnk.net)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The woman, Talisa Coombs, told Delaney she’d just gotten into what she alleged was a physical altercation with her granddaughter’s mother, Maria Pike, and called 911. Independence police’s response to that 911 call ended with the shooting death of Pike, 34, and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope — who were identified Tuesday by authorities from the Police Involved Investigative Team, or PIIT, a team of eastern Jackson County detectives called in to investigate police shootings and use-of-force incidents.

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said. That officer and another two who were at the scene are on administrative leave.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article295483354.html

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[–] [email protected] 207 points 1 week ago (6 children)

"On administrative leave", Jesus fucking christ, fire and prosecute those fuck heads. This is well beyond gross negligence.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sentencing guidelines should automatically double sentences for law enforcement and government officials, regardless of the crime.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"Wrongful Death Offender List" should be a thing.

And it should be run by citizens.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago

The unfortunate reality is the inverse…

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

No, no. We'll just give him a paid vacation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

For real, let them defend themselves in a court of law.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Greenfield believes police could have used different methods to de-escalate the situation.

No effing shit Sherlock

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What they mean is, there are other ways of killing people than just shooting them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they should have tazed the baby instead is what they mean

[–] brbposting 16 points 1 week ago

That’s really dangerous

Best bet is to start with the flash bang in the crib

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

That means next time don't leave witnesses.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Jesus christ. ACAB

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 week ago

The officer who fired his weapon was “a long-tenured veteran of law enforcement,” Dustman said.

So who else has he murdered in cold blood?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My dad used to use this technique to settle disputes: "if you are gonna fight over it, neither of you can have it!"

Though I don't recall him ever shooting a baby in the face so maybe these cops need more training.

Or some fucking lead to their own foreheads.

Is that too far? No. No I don't think it is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Solomon method, except they went throught with it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Solomon method left you with more baby too.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The passive voice writing in this article is as usual playing defense for the police.

Independence police’s response to that 911 call ended with the shooting death of Pike, 34, and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope. Let me rephrase this in a less passive way. The response to that 911 call from the independence police officer ended with him shooting Pike, 34 and her two month old daughter, Destinii Hope, to death.

I'm not implying this specific author or newspaper are writing in this style out of malice. I think this is part of a problem with the culture in journalism, because most articles on police violence are written this way.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No shit she reached for a knife. She had every right to stab that officer to death after he blew her baby's brains out right in front of her.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah, if this were a criminal case in my country it would look like this: murder(+?)/manslaughter on the child (+) no justification, not in the line of duty (+), ergo (+); manslaughter mother (+), justification? Self-defense? Mother herself justified? No imminent attack, child OS already dead, but her attack excused. Self defense possible for the officer, but self-defense provocation at least carelessly, most likely on purpose = heavy reduction of self-defense measures to basically just evasion and restraining, using the firearm in excess of that = not justifiable; possible excuse excess of violence for self-defense, caused the situation and escalated it beyond anything reasonable, better trained and armed, not excusable = manslaughter on the mother (+)

This would likely get you life in prison (so earliest parol after 15 years) here. And I doubt this would be something any officer or DA would dare to burn their hands over to cover up, as they would be held accountable for that coverup or meddling and go to prison themselves

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I hate how much the police worries more about their egos and asserting authority than de-escalation and service to the community. They seem more emotionally unstable than the people they are supposed to help.

If that’s the response from an experienced officer, then there are serious issues with the whole system. There’s a baby on the scene and still their first impulse is to pull the trigger. Fuck them!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let me guess: the two month old failed to comply with the officers order to stop crying?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I see some nasty comments on here. So I will add mine adjusted to the popo. The popo are basically criminal goons contracted by the city to ruin brown and black people's lives. Every single day there's gotta be some but of news where they end one of our brothers or sisters lives. Why do we let them do that to us?

Sure there are bad people who need to be in jail. Trump for example. But only the regular folks like you and I get to go to jail. Only our lives can be ruined. Touch the glass ceiling for long enough and you get to be slammed teeth first into the pavement for a supposed traffic violation which ended up with some baggies full of funny powder. Those fucking assholes are everywhere. It's time to abolish the police and instead enforce some sort of social help.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My husband is brown, and had a cop intentionally try to antagonize him into responding emotionally so the cop could violently arrest him.

Used aggressive language, threats to bring him to the station, veiled threats alluding to a guy who had been paralyzed and left in a coma by police the week before. It was sick and fucked up. It left my husband literally shaking afterwards. I've never seen him scared like that. I hate that cop with every fiber of my being. My husband is a gentle, kind, and loving person just trying to get his car fixed.

His offense that got him pulled over? Going to the mechanic to get his car fixed so it would pass emissions and we could update the registration.

To folks reading this, cops will absolutely try to antagonize you and escalate the situation. Don't let them. It gives them every excuse to shoot you and get away with it.

Cops can go fuck themselves to death.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

this ‘news’ site is trash, fucking constant text disruptive ads

fuck this garbage, 5min and had to re focus text like every 30 seconds

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Never👏
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Cops👏

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I swear, cops will shoot anything that moves, and then anything that doesn't, and then anything else.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And then fire blindly at nothing at all (see the acorn incident)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I remember that 😮‍💨

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Let's have a round of applause for the "good" guy with the gun.

Oh wait, ACAB. Especially this one. Can't wait till we collectively forget about it so the PIIT crew (or whatever they call themselves, I'm not going back) can clean up by sweeping it all under the rug.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Lock 'em up

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The USA never heard of tasers?

I mean you shouldn't tase everyone but at least if you shoot someone with it at least they are taken out of the equation with a high chance of survival.

[–] BigDanishGuy 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't want to defend the police here. It seems like they're more than capable of defending themselves against toddlers and innocent people sleeping in their homes.

What I will say though is on the efficiency of tasers. They're grrrreat, if you get skin contact with both electrodes, on the first try. But both prongs must hit, pierce the clothing, and get skin contact. Reloading the taser, or switching to the side arm, can take too long. There's a lot of myths about what will stop a taser, and I guess that some of the myths are affecting cops in their choice of force method.

But going for the gun on a disturbance call about a woman with a baby and the baby's grandmother? And shooting the baby? What, as the baby identified as an armed and dangerous fugitive?