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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] southsamurai 16 points 4 months ago

I agree.

I also see why it isn't the default. It should be, but there are other procedures where that's the case, depending on where you are in the world.

Post mastectomy reconstruction surgeries aren't always covered by everything. Should be, but aren't.

I say anything that treats the patient should be covered, period, including any and all reconstructive procedures like FFS. It's just a matter of getting people to realize it's medical care, not elective cosmetic surgery.

Doesn't seem to matter whether it's a form of socialized health care, or capitalist, allocation of funds/resources is rarely decided by people that actually understand what's going on, it's decided by accountants, lawyers, and legislators.

It sucks. There are goodly amount of surgeries and other care that get labeled as cosmetic or elective that are fundamentally part of treating the patient. It's absurd.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I don't mean any ill but I'd just like to understand better; I apologise sincerely if this is offensive and I beg your patience with me. Supposing a transgender person already "passes," is there a meaningful difference between FFS and cosmetic surgery? There are cis people with very severe body image issues including with, say, how their nose or brow looks -- even suicidally so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its medically necessary, and many states and organizations state it as such. Being against it is transphobia.

This community is not about cisgender people. Body dysmorphia in cisgender people is a different illness from gender dysphoria altogether, and has a different treatment regimen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not against it, I want to understand the issue better. I do not understand why being against it is transphobia, but I would like to understand this better.

No provinces in Canada nor any medical boards consider it necessary, though they do consider other more expensive transgender surgeries medically necessary. (That is not to say I agree with them on account of their authority -- but I am curious what analogous organisations in the US differ here.) Edit: I imagine the vast majority of trans people agree that gender-affirming surgeries like top & bottom are necessary, or at least should be covered, but I'd be interested to see if most trans people agree that FFS is medically necessary.

I can understand the argument that it's simply a different illness than cisgender dysmorphia. But, why do we not consider cisgender dysmorphia something which warrants medically necessary surgery? It can cause equal amounts of suffering. Perhaps we should fund both.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Its my understanding that body dysmorphia is best treated with anti-depressants in most patients. Anti-depressants have no effect on gender dysphoria. If anti depressants aren't working, maybe some other kind of intervention is warranted for those patients.

I do not understand why being against it is transphobia, but I would like to understand this better.

FFS is a reconstructive surgery. It is hard to compare to anything, but the purpose is to revert disfiguration by having the improper hormones. If cis people had this issue with hormones, then of course they should be covered.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

OK, the argument that it's caused by improper hormones is very compelling. The state could save money by helping ensure the hormones are corrected as early as possible.

I do not know if antidepressants help cis dysmorphia, I'm somewhat skeptical about that. Antidepressants aren't a miracle drug when it comes to this kind of thing, from what I've seen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure about it either, I just know that it seems to be the most clinically significant treatment. Most people with body dysmorphia regret their surgeries, rates for trans regret are extremely low. Usually in the range of .5%-2% depending on surgery. For reference, somewhere around 30-40% regret knee surgery depending on the study. Regret rate science is a pretty well established thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that makes sense, I don't doubt the regret numbers. I didn't realize cosmetic surgery regret was that high. Well damn, consider me educated.

I've seen that knee surgery figure before but I don't think it's a good comparison at all, and it's easily attacked. Knee surgery has immense potential for chronic pain afterward, and poor mobility. Dysmorphia regret rates are much more compelling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I mostly mention it because its a fairly common surgery

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