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Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.

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[–] [email protected] 234 points 4 months ago (5 children)

“I was disappointed with the crowd, for sure,” Immers said. “I cannot do anything about his past anymore. I’m here to play with him. … So, yeah, I’m disappointed with it. But I think mentally we’re really strong, and I’m really strong to get through this, together. And we’re going to do that.”

Then:

Immers was asked about the reception and said the two spoke on the court and recognized they would need to be extra supportive of each other. Asked if he understood why they received that reception, he said, “I don’t want to talk about that, if it’s OK.”

So they can bitch that people bboed, but he won't acknowledge the reason is he raped a literal child?

Fuck that guy, I hope the whole stadium booes anytime he shows his face.

If he was going to pull the "I'm here for volleyball" then he should shut the fuck up 24/7. Not try to play the victim then refuse to admit why they're booing.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (37 children)

So they can bitch that people booed, but he won’t acknowledge the reason is he raped a literal child?

Mathew Immers is not the guy who raped the child. That is Steven van de Velde.
Immers is van de Velde's beach volleyball partner.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He is complaining that the crowd booed his partner. The partner he chose to play with. But he won't recognize that the reason the pair is being booed is that one of the partners is a child rapist. I think it's fair to think that that is bad.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I think it is important to distinguish the innocent partner here. Beach volleyball is incredibly demanding, and at the elite level, a very low population sport. It takes athletes their whole careers to just to make the world tour hoping to one day reach the olympics. For Immers he has busted his ass for years and at some point his national body probably paired him up with the other guy. It’s possible he may not have even known about it until they were partners and had established their dynamic and working relationship. Finding and building a team with a partner you click with on the court is hard-earned. I can imagine that Immers is absolutely distraught at the situation he’s been put in. He has a crappy choice here no matter what. Abandon what he’s spent his whole career building up to, now that he’s made it - because of something he had nothing to do with, knowing he may never get this chance again, even if he were to find another available partner… it takes years to learn how to play as a team; or he sucks it up, focuses on his own journey, cops the reflected criticism and hostility and tries to keep his emotions out of it…

It’s shitty either way. He abandons his dream because of someone else’s actions; or he chases them and becomes collateral damage.

Don’t get me started on the poor kid whose life was never the same again, having all this trauma dredged up and shoved back in her face. There’s nothing about this that doesn’t suck.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

I think it is important to distinguish the innocent partner here

Then he can stop bitching that people are booing his partner who raped a fucking 12 year old.

Pick a lane, "no comment" or acknowledge what he did and ask for forgiveness.

This is literally the Dutch team complaining that people are booing, and refusing to acknowledge an incredibly valid reason why it's happening.

Fuck em both.

Like you said, it's a small population of players. Even if this guy was #1 in the Netherlands, if #2 thru 25 said they won't play with a child rapist, the child rapist wouldn't be on the team.

Don’t get me started on the poor kid whose life was never the same again, having all this trauma dredged up and shoved back in her face. There’s nothing about this that doesn’t suck.

You think she forgot till now?

You think she doesn't know his name?

Why is the issue talking about how he's a child rapist and not that the child rapist is in the goddamn Olympics?

Quick edit:

It’s shitty either way. He abandons his dream because of someone else’s actions; or he chases them and becomes collateral damage.

We don't call people heroes for doing the right thing because it's easy and sacrifice free.

But we do call people shit bags for doing the wrong thing for personal gain/glory.

Which is what we're doing here.

Except you, you're out here complaining people booed a guy who raped a 12 year old.

Why?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Wow man, that’s a hot take. I’m not complaining at all. The crowd is upset that the Dutch team have chosen to select a man convicted of a heinous act. I absolutely abhor what that criminal did and in my mind there is absolutely no excusing or trivialising or equivocating on that. It’s unthinkable. I am not putting judgment on the crowd at all. I completely understand why they are doing it.

I don’t believe he was complaining in the interview. A journo asked him the world’s most obvious question and he has nowhere to go. He can’t defend his partner (not should he, not that he wanted to). He can only speak for himself and say it’s hard to get booed when personally you didn’t do the thing and you’ve worked so hard to get here.

I don’t know why you think I have anything but sincere empathy for the poor victim. I’m recognising that having a truly horrific life experience become fodder for the media, years after you last had that chapter of your life made public and the subject of speculation and judgment, must be a terrible ordeal - she will never forget his name or what happened, but there’s a difference between that and having this asshole on the front page of every news outlet for a month. It must be a genuinely traumatic experience to have it be made acute again.

You’re passionate and assertive in your feelings about this. I respect that and I don’t disagree with your sentiments. I don’t think your read meshes with what I was trying to say. I actually think we’re morally pretty well aligned. In the context of your comment, I don’t know many genuine heroes, they do what most people can’t - that’s why they’re so revered. We all know the way, only few actually walk it.

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[–] Kecessa 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If his buddy has broken his leg before the Olympics they would have found a replacement.

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[–] [email protected] 174 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While I think the Netherlands has a commendable approach to prison and rehabilitation, This dude should not be a representative for your country. If you say he's served enough time, we can disagree (because he absolutely did not), but the choice to put him in Netherlands Orange and on international TV was a colossal mistake.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He should definitely be wearing orange, just not Netherlands Orange...

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Just booing?

He went to another country, raped a 12-yo, fled and after conviction, his government - the Netherlands, only decided to give him a year of prison.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's an important detail that I'm not really seeing here. The UK gave him an 8 year sentence. The Netherlands negotiated to have him transferred to their jurisdiction, which happened after 1 year served, and then the Netherlands promptly let him go.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Not saying it's right, but for context:

One legal distinction is that Van de Velde is unlikely to have been convicted of rape had he stood trial in the Netherlands rather than England. In England, sex with a 12-year-old is rape, regardless of the circumstances: an under-16 cannot legally consent. But after he was extradited to the Netherlands, having serving almost a year of his prison sentence, he was released after less than a month. Under Dutch law, his crime was deemed to be the lesser offence of ontucht, sexual acts that violate social-ethical norms.

From https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/30/netherlands-child-rapist-olympics-steven-van-de-velde

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (10 children)

That, combined with him being on the Olympic team, sorta makes me concerned about Dutch people

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (61 children)

What else should they be doing? Storming the court and dragging him to a lynching tree? I'm guessing the French wouldn't be especially accommodating to such vigilantism.

[–] zaph 63 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They could have not invited a convicted child rapist to represent their country at the Olympics.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

"They" are not the booing crowd.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago

I'm guessing the French wouldn't be especially accommodating to such vigilantism.

You are absolutely correct!

You'd need to use a guillotine.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

Holding up signage, shouting rapist, turning their backs...there is a lot of room between booing and lynching.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Not putting him on a pedestal as a representative of your country would be a good start.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's SO many options between one year in prison and extra judicial killing. Like, in prison for 10 years, just off the top of my head.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Stop putting words in their mouth, there are so many things to do other than booing that are non violent but you just immediately took the most extreme possible outcome and suggested that was what the person you are reply to meant.

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[–] Varyk 148 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The story from wikipedia, since I never see it written down:

"In 2014, van de Velde, aged 19 at the time, corresponded with a 12-year-old girl who sent him a friend request on Facebook. He said he believed the girl was 16 at the time they began to communicate, but he continued despite her telling him her age. In August 2014, he travelled to her home town, Milton Keynes in England, gave her alcohol and raped her near the local Furzton Lake.[12] That same night, van de Velde tried to stay at a hotel with his victim but was denied a room so they slept under a staircase.[13] There were further two instances of rape the next day.[12] During one of the three rapes, the victim told van de Velde that he was hurting her.[14]

Van de Velde returned to the Netherlands after the rapes[15] and told his victim to go to a sexual health clinic for contraception, at which point her age alerted concern among the staff.[14] He was extradited to the United Kingdom and arrested in January 2016.[15] The victim expressed feelings of guilt and had been self-harming and once overdosed, facts that caused the judge to "give van de Velde a scathing rebuke" during the case.[14][16]"

[–] [email protected] 98 points 4 months ago (2 children)

After his release in 2017, van de Velde complained about "all the nonsense" reporting on his crime in the media, claiming that the term pedophile did not apply to him, without expanding further.

An unrepentant rapist who only served a whole 13 months for raping someone three times.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

a twelve year old, specifically

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

OMFG I misread things initially and though 12 years was how long he was in prison. 13 months??? That's insane, and I am usually for more lenient punishments and rehabilitation programs. Harsh punishments to a point just equate to revenge eventually, but fuck this guy. He should have served a much harsher sentence. Just reading the description of what happened makes my stomach turn.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Honestly fuck him and his teammate. The rapist wouldnt be playing if everyone refused to play with him. Full stop. These calls would be different if he showed remorse but instead he wants to complain. You dont get to complain about other's opinion of you after you rape somebody.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's a German saying that I'm going to poorly reproduce.

If you're at table with eleven others and one's a NAZI then there are twelve NAZI's at the table.

I think it applies here.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ive always heard it the reverse but same message. "If you choose to sit at a table with 11 Nazi's then there are 12 Nazi's at the table." Same sentiment though and i absolutely agree.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If there's 11 people at a table and a Nazi joins them, there are 12 Nazis at that table.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

See I dislike this one because the people at the table arent making the choice. I feel its more impactful when the "non Nazi" is choosing to associate with the known Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The idea is that you have to make an active choice to oppose them. Most people in the "Nazi Party" were just there because they wanted a job. If you didn't join the party it was harder to get good jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The point is that if 11 random people accept the one nazi, then there are a dozen nazis. Because nazism is so extreme that it is only accepted by other nazis.

But also, that “1 nazi” is how it starts. Ever wonder how a bar becomes a nazi bar? It’s because one dude with nazi tattoos came in, was nice and quiet, and didn’t get kicked out even though he was obviously a nazi. And then eventually, he started bringing his buddies. And they were nice too. They were polite, they were orderly, and they tipped well. They didn’t get kicked out.

But eventually, the nazis outnumber the non-nazis, and that’s when things begin to devolve. Suddenly, they’re not so accepting. You start hearing drunken slurs when they think you’re out of earshot. There’s suddenly an undertone of violence which wasn’t present before. The regular patrons don’t feel safe coming to your bar anymore. Eventually, if you fit the demographic, they begin treating you like you’re a nazi too. And now the nazis have found their new favorite bar to hang out at. You as the bartender are afraid to kick them out, because you feel like you’ll be in danger if you do. And it all started because one nazi was polite, and you didn’t kick him out for not making a fuss.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From another article:

There are also those, such as the court reporter Chris Klomp, who have argued that he is not the “sex monster” or “groomer” he has been made out to be in some English-language media.

Klomp wrote on X that, although what Van de Velde did was utterly wrong and punishable, he did not physically force the girl to have sex with him. He wrote: “The absence of coercion (other than the age difference) is also evident from the fact that the British court acquitted him of grooming. It was not his intention to ‘persuade her’ into sexual acts.”

Wow. That reporter just made himself look like a pedophile by defending the pedophile rapist that hard.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He used the "she came on to me" line? Gross. They're all gross and weird people.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

He deserves much worse than that imo. Especially since all he got was a year and now just a few years later he's playing in the Olympics.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

odd how jk rowling and the "protect children" crew haven't said his name once. it's almost as if jk rowling is pro paedophilia.

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