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Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

No they don't.

They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.

Don't get me wrong, biden's administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we're not actually picking a leader.

The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn't a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else

Nope.

We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn't have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it's over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.

That increases turnout in the general.

What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans

The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist

If Biden wasn't a narcissist he'd put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (23 children)

Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why "left" media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.

Even Bernie is for not replacing him.

The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Progressives have not abandoned Biden because Biden has basically promised them whatever the fuck they want for the next administration so long as they stand behind him. Even AOC is saying she’s with Biden.

I’m not even mad. I would consider taking that gamble as well. But the Biden administration knows that if the progressive wing of the party truly leaves them they are fucked

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we're not actually picking a leader.

This 'stupid horse race' is all that stands between us and four more years of Trump

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

It's clearly not the only thing, but so far only a Republican has tried one of the alternatives.

[–] iAmTheTot 15 points 4 months ago

Speak for yourself. I'd like Biden to step aside.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How far away is the actual election?

Replacing him would be best, but you’ve got to start building a case for someone new in that time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Building the case in a world where political marketing machines create the narrative in half a day's time and spread it through all the corporate channels.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

oof ur probably fucked mate

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Biden's response:

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yay polls.

I love polls. They’re so great. Always accurate.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're likely accurate. Anecdotal, but many of my very liberal friends have lost confidence in Biden's ability to lead the Dems to victory, and many people I know who are 'swing voters' are convinced that Biden is senile. That's not getting into the conservatives I know, who I would not regard as having relevant opinions. Furthermore, a number of sitting congressmembers of his own party have expressed that he should step down - which alone is a ruinous and public expression of a loss of confidence at the highest levels for Biden to win the campaign. It's a millstone around his campaign's neck, and even winning them back won't remove it - the only thing that he can do to remove that weight from the Dem ticket is by stepping down himself.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was both until Congresscritters started coming out against him after the debate. I'm willing to accept that seeing him have a bad day - even a really fucking bad one - is not necessarily an indictment of his fitness to run a vigorous campaign, but I knew it was over once sitting Congressmembers were asking him publicly to step down. That's... that's lethal. Regardless of whether or not he's fit to run a campaign.

I think it's not impossible for him to win (though I was in full panic mode when Trump had an assassination attempt and I thought it might be a Dem behind the gun), but IF he does win, it will be wholly in spite of him being the candidate, and it will be an uphill fucking battle the whole way. He no longer advantages the Dem ticket - he's a handicap.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I genuinely think a change this close to the election would be a terrible mistake. We need Joe now because he refused to step down for too long and the DNC refused to nominate someone else anyway. We're committed

[–] iAmTheTot 13 points 4 months ago

This close? The democratic convention hasn't even happened yet. There's still months to the election proper. Both France and the UK just held elections wherein the entire cycle lasted less than the time we have until election day still. And they had higher voter turnout than the US typically has.

Time is not the problem here. We do not need Biden. There are better candidates.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

3 democrats in my house and none of us think that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

And this is the difference between democrats and republicans. Even after getting his ass impeached twice, inciting insurrection, getting convicted for rape and felonies - voters and his party are firmly behind Trump.

Whereas Biden must step aside because he stuttered during debate. A lot of people - including those demanding peace in Ukraine and Middle East - are in for a solid pikachu face when they help elect literal Nazi because of these fucking purity tests

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

I don't think this is about purity tests so much as popularity. People don't want to vote for him. It doesn't matter if he's pure or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

purity tests

Please explain how both parties having zero standards for their politicians will result in a net positive for the country.

Like, you know we can just run candidates who meet voters standards rather every four years demanding we throw our standards away. Right?

We'd get more votes, less Republicans in office, and more progress when Dems are in office.

What's the downside?

Less pro-corproate moderates who disagree with the party platform?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

You're jealous that the fascists fall in line and don't bark back.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ll vote for any D, but Biden should fuck off. The only thing that matters right now is to win. Biden’s fucked.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the only thing that matters is to win, then Biden shouldn't be the candidate.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That is the gist of my comment, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Meaningless if you can't get them to agree on a different candidate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Beating trump is more important than Joe Biden being president.

Especially when most of his time in office he wouldn't stop talking about how powerless he is as president and how if anyone thought he could accomplish anything it just meant they're ignorant.

So like, what's the benefit of insisting it's Biden when he's not who voters want?

It just seems like a terrible risk for zero gain.

If what matters is the House and Senate, then we need a charismatic presidential candidate who helps Dems down ballot.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been the best president since Carter, and maybe before that.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Actually, he accomplished quite a lot without having control of Congress and 6-3 activist SCOTUS.

And no, Manchin and Sinema didn't give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.

Trump's only success with full control of Congress was to pass the horrible tax bill.

Biden's also extremely successful on the foreign policy. Not only he reunited NATO (Putin attacked Ukraine, because he was convinced there's no way he can do it), but also got two additional members to join, who historically were neutral.

Biden's major weakness is that he doesn't broadcast his successes well and media doesn't do that either for him. The only time he successfully did mention his accomplishments was during state of the union.

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