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Why is this even in question? Palestinian hospitals, schools, and children are being bombed by American ordnance by a close ally and partner.
And any attempts to draw comparisons to Ukraine are just Russian apologists.
The US can be great at one global issue and shit at another.
Ukraine: ✅
Israel: ❌
Simple as.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The U.S. has stood by Israel militarily and diplomatically as it has consistently attacked civilian infrastructure, such as hospitals and schools, in Gaza since October 7, in a brutal campaign that the International Court of Justice has deemed a plausible genocide.
Nate Evans, a spokesperson for Thomas-Greenfield, told The Intercept that the ambassador “has condemned loss of Palestinian civilian lives many, many times in the Security Council,” while adding that the conflicts in Gaza and Ukraine are “two very different wars.” Evans noted that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was “unprovoked,” while Israel launched its assault in response to Hamas’s October 7 attack on Israel.
But there are also clear parallels in human rights abuses and violations of international law in each respective war, said Peake, who called the U.S. government’s handling of the conflicts “hypocritical.”
“What we see from the U.S. is a very stark difference in how they are choosing to handle its involvement in pushing for an end to those conflicts,” said Peake, who is also assistant director of UCLA’s Promise Institute for Human Rights.
U.S. officials have said they opposed ceasefire resolutions because they failed to stand by Israel’s apparent right to defend itself and argued diplomatic approaches would be more effective than public censures.
Strikes also hit a home in Deir al-Balah, which was inside Israel’s “humanitarian safe zone” where Palestinians have been told to flee, the Associated Press reported.
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The DIFFERENCE in response,
is ONLY until Trump gains dictatorship!!
Then it will be identical: He's on the Kremlin's side, absolutely, against NATO & Europe.
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The law requiring the U.S. to send arms to Israel was not made by Joe Biden. Biden is not the leader of Israel. Biden is delaying and limiting arms shipment. How difficult is that to understand?
Do you know what Leahy law is?
You do know that the president is required by law, that he didn't make, to provide arms to Israel?
Are the circumstances identical?
I feel very confident in saying a childrens cancer ward far from the Ukrainian front likely had no military utilization. Probably no rockets fired from the roof, no soldiers inside, etc etc.
Can hamas say the same with confidence? Even though their medical facilities were very close to the fighting? I do not know, personally, and still condemn the Israeli attacks.
But I also know the circumstances are not the same.
There was no evidence for Hamas using the hospital as a military base so yes they are identical. There is no evidence of Hamas launching any rockets from the roof of those hospitals either not sure where that claim comes from.
'Turns Out the Israelis Lied': Probe Dismantles IDF's Al-Shifa Hospital Claim: A Washington Post investigation found Israel's evidence "falls short" of showing that Hamas used the facility as a command center.
Ironically the only party using hospitals and schools as military bases in Gaza is israel. After they force all the patients out that is.
Israeli Army Appears to Be Using Gaza Hospital, School as Bases, Washington Post Reports
There's a documentary about Al Shifa Hospital with interviews from the survivors. Be warned, it's very graphic with videos of the mass graves being bulldozed etc.
Can hamas say the same with confidence? Even though their medical facilities were very close to the fighting?
Uh... Yes. "Their" medical facilities were very close to the fighting because all of Gaza is a warzone what are you even talking about?
Are the circumstances identical?
No. The children in the Ukrainian hospital were white.
Let me repeat: Even if Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot were hiding where children are, you do not bomb your way through children to get at your target.
See, it really is that simple, no discussion or comparisons needed.
I feel very confident in saying a childrens cancer ward far from the Ukrainian front likely had no military utilization. Probably no rockets fired from the roof, no soldiers inside, etc etc.
Even if their were a rocket or a soldier on the roof, Russia would but be morally justified in blowing it up. Nothing you said is relevant to that situation.
If a hospital is used as a combat position, it becomes a valid target for attack. You are not prohibited from returning fire just because the attackers are striking from a hospital.
Blowing up a hospital is not morally justified just because you're able to bullshit your way into calling it a combat position. Your use of "prohibited" is a weaselword. Obviously they're not prohibited - this is trivially true since they do it. It's still not morally justifiable.
Oh, certainly. Well, war is hell. It's an inherently immoral practice, one of the most evil things we engage in. When it happens though, it needs to follow a certain set of rules, for a variety of reasons of which morality is just one.
That said, "hospital" is just a word. If the building is occupied by patients and doctors and is not part of the fighting, then I fully agree with you. If it is empty of doctors and patients, and instead a battalion of soldiers is shooting at you from it, it should be blown up. The activities happening determine what happens, not the name and type of the building.
That said, “hospital” is just a word. If the building is occupied by patients and doctors and is not part of the fighting, then I fully agree with you. If it is empty of doctors and patients, and instead a battalion of soldiers is shooting at you from it, it should be blown up.
Adressing only both of these extremes ensure that nothing you said addresses any aspect of reality.
They're hypotheticals meant to communicate how the Geneva Conventions actually work in real life. Sorry if you don't like it.
The Geneva convention isn't relevant to Israel's current war in Gaza. Blowing up hospitals remains immoral. Sorry if you don't like it.
War is immoral, everything about it. No exceptions. Humanity does not function based on universal morality though, it functions on law.
There are no laws governing Israel's conduct in Gaza at this moment , and unconditional US support ensures that this will remain the case. You're purposely talking about irrelevant nonsense to deflect from their obviously immoral acts.
No, I'm not talking about irrelevant nonsense, I'm talking about war as it pertains to a war. Note, I have said several times that what is happening is very immoral. This is not deflection.
Additionally, international law certainly applies, the ICJ has jurisdiction to try war criminals regardless of where they are.
That jurisdiction doesn't matter for Israel so long as they enjoy unconditional support from the US. Why do you insist on talking about shit that doesn't matter?
Couple reasons. First, that's just false. The US cannot prevent an ICJ ruling, and it would definitely impact Netanyahu's govt on multiple levels with a great many countries including his own. Second, US support is not actually unconditional, as we saw when the bomb shipments got paused. US support is still partial, and could become either stronger or weaker.
I do enjoy the hypocrisy of Western leaders, they aren't even tacit about it anymore, and the public evidently are so propagandized as to justify genocide even when they think they oppose it.
Totally for same reasons.
Might it have something to do with Israel being USA's ally and a functioning democracy, and Gaza being the one who started the war?
Israel is not a democracy they don't even have freedom of press and gay marriage is illegal in israel.
Also israel started the Genocide.
gay marriage is illegal in israel.
What does this have to do with anything?
Also gay marriage isn’t illegal, getting gay married is
Democracy and apartheid are diametrically and definitionally opposed to one another. By your metric, an illegal occupation is not an act of war, and the deaths, rapes, torturings, and kidnappings didn't constitute any violations. Only through ignorance or hatred can you arrive at your view of the war.
That's because Moscow doesn't control the US, Israel does. At least until the election.