this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2024
242 points (98.0% liked)

politics

19148 readers
1990 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

The 90-minute debate will include two commercial breaks, according to the network, and campaign staff may not interact with their candidate during that time.

Both candidates agreed to appear at a uniform podium, and their podium positions will be determined by a coin flip.

Microphones will be muted throughout the debate except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak. While no props or pre-written notes will be allowed on the stage, candidates will be given a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 88 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Trump campaign will be the first one to complain about mic muting. I bet my ass on that.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago

He's gonna complain that he never agreed to it and use it as an excuse to back out

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump is just going to be shouting while Biden talks anyway. So the viewer will see Biden distracted and stuttering because half his attention will be on trying to ignore Trump, but the viewer will not hear it, beyond maybe a little background noise that's picked up on Bidens mic.

This is Trump's strategy. He has done it before. They really need sound proof booths too.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did you forget that Biden was in the Senate for decades? All they do is make speeches 99% of the time they are in the chamber.

Notice how Trump is only good in front of a friendly crowd. Biden has spoken publicly and privately in front of people who dislike him for most of his life. Biden is practicing now, and I suspect he will make Trump look like a fool.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

"They wouldn't even let me talk! How am I supposed to debate when I can't talk all the time? Biden got to talk when it was his turn, but they wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise while he was talking to tell him how wrong he is... Also, what am I supposed to do with a pen and paper? Who uses a pen and paper in this day and age? Am I supposed to write a letter? Why can't I have my phone to tweet live about how unfairly I'm being treated!? Literally the most rigged, one-sided debate in ALL of history! And I'd know! I've been warning everyone this whole time they'll rig things from the start! Just like they RIGGED THE LAST ELECTION!!!"

[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Honestly happy with the mic muting, wished it was a thing back then. But what's even the point of this debate, who is going to watch it with bated breath struggling to decide?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The goal is not to learn information about who the candidates already are. We already know who they are. The goal is to see them react to each other and have the more vitriolic candidate self-destruct on TV.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Each party has the goal of getting the other side to say something that will be a useful campaign sound bite. Maybe that will cause then to tone things down.

Who am I kidding, Trump will go over the top as usual trying to rile Biden.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Also so people can assess the vigor and wit of two candidates that each side has been calling decrepit and cognitively impaired.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I'll be watching with baited breath alright. It will be a show. One of them might actually die on stage. That's not even the least spectacular thing that could happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Much like most cultural events, I'll just wait for the funniest clips to be posted to YouTube

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not American and don't much care about American politics but having a debate between 2 people both so old they can actually die on stage while age cooked their brains at least 5 years ago is a spectacle I'm not missing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

They are doing it for the memes

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago

Letting the parties replace the non partisan committee is still a terrible choice. Unfortunately both parties agreed it was best if they just worked together directly to set these up, and it only includes their two parties.

They're never going to give that power back up. They're never going to invite a 3d party. And with how often the two parties actually work out deals, I feel like a lot of future debates are gonna be cancelled.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump probably thinks mic muting means telling his former vice president to shut up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Bets on whether trump walks out at the break?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I doubt he shows up at all.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

“I’ll totally testify at my trial, 100%.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Yup. Fives on that ☝️

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He will come up with some bullshit excuse of why he can't attend or how it's all rigged and refuse to participate

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And his followers will lap it up without a second thought and ignore anything that says otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Because even though he's the stable genius god emperor, Trump's opponent that his supporters claim is barely functioning still also is all powerful and rigging the everything against Trump

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Bone spurs acting up again?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Anyone who thinks muting a mic is going to keep things civil and with any level of decorum hasn't been paying attention.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, it's perfect. I don't know if you've ever seen a heated debate where if someone is an asshole their mic gets muted, and you can still faintly hear them yelling in the background through other people's mics while conversation continues among the people whose mics are still active. Or, where they try to barge their way over and grab some other mic that's still active. I've observed both of these, and they are exactly what we need right now.

I don't for a second imagine that this debate will remain civil or with any level of decorum, if it does happen, whatever the rules are. But the optics that could ensue from mic muting are exactly what our political discourse needs right now. Like, completely. To a T.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I might just be too cynical at this point. It'd be fun to see, but at this point I suspect that any attempt to keep Trump, and I won't pretend to think it's about anyone but him really given the history, in check will be brushed off as 'the biased,unfair moderators are just trying to silence him' rather than convincing any of his followers he might be a bit too volatile for public office.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

they should put them in a sound proof box, pipe in the what the other guy is saying when it's not their turn, and mute the off-mic in the broadcast... but give us subtitles so we can still read what they're saying.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Gun rigged to a sound meter during opponents time. Better pray you don't have to sneeze.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like the cut of your jib

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I admire the hitch you used to tie on your sheets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It's the American way!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully the mics, while muted, will still be recording audio so they can release Trump loudly shitting his pants when he thinks no one can hear.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I'm so glad your mind works this way so mine doesn't have to.

The hero we need.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Going to watch to see if I can guess how many drugs they’ll prop up Trump with. I’m going to guess a lot

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Mildly surprised theyve agreed to a debate at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is going to be a train wreck. Two old senile men that belong in a nursing home yelling at each other.

[–] jballs 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are commercial breaks standard during debates? I can't recall a commercial break in the last 24 years of debates, but maybe that's just me.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Nope.

This is the first year the parties boycotted the nopartisian comitte's debates and instead are holding their own with CNN as the host

Part of that deal, involves allowing ads.

So CNN makes a bunch of money, the parties get influence over the debate, the questions being asked, and who can attend (only the two parties)

Commercials are the most obvious part, but not the most impactful. This is dystopian as fuck and everyone seems to just be ok with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm not ok with it but I wasn't paying attention enough to make sense of it until reading your comment. I feel like people would be more upset if they realized what is lost.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At this point, do they really need to be in the same room?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Zoom debates! I can use my bingo card from work!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I can't wait to hear about sharks and boats

load more comments
view more: next ›