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Blizzard says that modding Diablo IV can result in a permanent account ban::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 year ago

Any company that treats creativity as cheating does not make games I care to play.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can they just give us an offline version and let us do whatever we want on it?

[–] CookieJarObserver 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No that would involve you owning the product and thats bad.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also cuts into their live service cash flow.

Ever since that mobile Diablo game came out, I knew to be wary of this one.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But then who would buy what they're offering in their online store, item crates and other boxes.

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[–] CookieJarObserver 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Suck dick and die Activision. Fucking EA 2.0

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did the same with diablo 3. Always on drm so that people couldn't use cheats to get better loot IN A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. Why? Because they want you to their market and spend real cash for stuff

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is probably the only reason they care about. It's definitely not for the "integrity of the game" or anything like that

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

Then make more than 4 enemy types.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How dare people try to mod a game they bought? What a sad state of affairs, Diablo 2 had such awesome mods.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's GaaS, you didn't buy Diablo 4, you bought a platform on which they can control the content they want you to play, so they can charge you what they want to charge for it.

[–] sentient_loom 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is every major tech company a tyrannical bitch that hates their customers?

Yes.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was considering giving a Diablo game a shot for the first time, not anymore, this is just dumb

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are better games than Diablo nowadays. I've been having a blast on Grim Dawn.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it similar? I loved D2 but despised D3

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I loved d2, d3 I played for a while but a drop in the bucket compared to the original d2. Grim dawn also didn't grip me and neither did path of exile.

I'm afraid I'm just chasing the nostalgia of one of my favorite childhood games that nothing really has a hope of living up to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Project Diablo 2 is still going strong and has a lot of nice QoL features and skill improvements over D2 and D2R. You should check it out if you're a D2 fan like me.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Grim Dawn was my Diablo 2 fix. It runs decently, has a dark atmosphere (though if you want story and lore you'll have to read a lot in-game) and cool items.

Also a massive world, especially with the DLCs. Definitely worth playing in my opinion :)

You get nearly free unlimited respecs, the only thing you can't undo is your 2 classes you choose.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll second Grim Dawn. It's pretty great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Grim Dawn is the best Diablo game I've played.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You can still try the earlier Diablo games. Diablo 1 with Belzebub mod is pretty fun (or get DevilutionX if you want a more authentic experience but with some modern QoL stuff), Diablo 2 with Project Diablo 2 mod is even more fun (probably the best Diablo variant IMO), and there's also Blizzard's official Diablo 2 Resurrected, if you can't tolerate old school graphics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if you've never stepped foot in the Diablo world don't bother. I had a good time with the D4 campaign, I actually think that part shines but it's maybe 30 hours of gameplay at best, even if you take a few detours along the way. Pretty steep price to game ratio.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Good Old Games FOR LIFE !

All the cool guys love GOG.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I buy all my games here, if I can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Like a Dragon just dropped ln GOG!! It's been a great fucking week on that storefront.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you imagine if the Spalding company told you that they'd come and take their balls back if you didn't play according to their rules?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

They're trash at making games so they should let others make the game for them. This is a dumb decision.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

They also recently admitted to loading other players entire profile including their stash, and other content that they "have" which you would have zero access to, into memory on your PC, anytime that user loads into your zone.

It's why you can't have more than four stash tabs, because other people's computers would be negatively affected.

My developer friend tersely summarized this as "lazy programming". To put it as briefly as I can, in his view, it's likely that all of your stuff including inventory and stash are all part of your character object/class/whatever, so to load other players, your client has to load that character object, complete with everything they're carrying and everything that they have in their stash.

IMO, this means you can mod the game to dump a list of everything another player is carrying/holding in their stash.

Seems like they have minimal, if any, separation between clients, other clients, and by proxy, their servers. So rules need to be enforced at the client level, so the other users and the servers can stay protected.

[–] Lucidlethargy 17 points 1 year ago

Fuck Blizzard. Stop buying their games.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Blizzard is another user hostile game company.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like people are acting a little TOO hurt in this thread... debate on games being moddable vs not aside, this was obviously always going to be the case for a live service game like D4. D3 was (but wasn't really) a live service game and also was not moddable at all, even after the auction house got canned. Same for Overwatch 1, I'm quite sure OW2 as well. There should be no surprise here, and cheaters absolutely knew this would come.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For A$120 asking price, and an almost immediate cash grab/season pass, I should be able to mod whatever the fuck I like thank you very much

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey, I support you voting with your wallet then, and you should hold out for Starfield and GTA VI. Maybe play some Cyberpunk or NMS. Hogwarts Legacy too.

But if moddability is a prerequisite for you on full price games, you're probably due a lot of disappointment going forward as games continue to shift to GAS models (and honestly, if you've been beating this drum you've been real disappointed for the last decade anyways). Mods are a great experience for a single player game, but invite rampant cheating in competitive multiplayer games that need to be fair and balanced for all players. You're just not going to see moddability in multiplayer games. And one certainly doesn't have a right to interrupt or destroy other players' enjoyment of a game because they want to cheat.

To be clear, I am not arguing against modding being allowed in games. I ran a VERY heavily modified UI in World of Warcraft, and have had a blast with tons of mods in games like Skyrim and Minecraft. It's just not a hill I'll die on either. Not every game can or should be modded.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

To be fair the way it worked in d2 was great. You had a closed battle.net which worked through official servers and an open battle.net where your local/twinked/hacked/whatever char could run rampant and play online with friends.

The modded versions of diablo 2 by replacing actual gamefiles is also still possible if you play it off line/local lan.

GaaS just sucks in that regard. A lot of great things came about by modding like in warcraft 3. Or even the superhero/Warcraft mods in counter strike 1.6

Or the max Payne Kung Fu and whatnot mods. I had hours of fun on that. It wasn't the way the developers intended it to be played. But who cares.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

that's close minded. "you are only allowed to enjoy the game exactly as we intended it to be played"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And I didn't even need any more reasons to not get this game!

Diablo was dead after Diablo 2. Resurrected was pretty good but I really dislike the always online BS. And at the end of the day, it's still the same old game with a facelift. Recently started playing Diablo 3 again and I realize why I never really got into it. It's more like gauntlet than Diablo.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't speak for Acti-Blizz but Ubisoft regarded people finding and using exploits or even power imbalances as cheating and a banhammering offense if they got too much loot for their efforts.

Finding the exploits is part of the whole point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Imagine banning people for playing the game the way you created it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Are they trying to nuke their game and community? Cause at this point, you gotta wonder if it's intentional.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

permanent account ban

Don't threaten me with a good time Blizz.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

biggest misbuy of this year...damn my friends who wanted to play this, because it is boring, soulless and lame as fuck.

my screensaver is more challenging than this ...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modding (as long as it's not hacker modding in like RDR2) makes the game personalized and so much more fun.

I wanted to play Diablo but Blizzard support hasn't taken off the keyfob authenticator off my account, despite repeated requests. So I guess I don't get to play anyway. Now I really feel like I'm not missing out on anything.

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