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Biden calls U.S. ally Japan 'xenophobic,' along with China and Russia (www.nbcnews.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

“Think about it,” he said. “Why is China stalling so bad economically? Why is Japan having trouble? Why is Russia?”

“Because they’re xenophobic,” he said. “They don’t want immigrants.”

Show me what he said that was incorrect.

Japan has never welcomed immigrants, and they’ve been hovering on the brink of recession since 1990. Of the three countries he mentioned, Japan is probably suffering the most economically because of their lack of immigrant labor (while China and Russia are suffering for other reasons in addition to their lack of immigrants).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is one thing I actually like about Biden: He sometimes says weird shit out loud that's not actually wrong, but isn't something that people in politics will ever say for obvious reasons.

E.g. the interview where he said we might have to get rid of Erdogan, or the thing of if you support Trump "you ain't black," or this. It is the honest version of "He tells it like it is!" that idiots say about Trump. He really does just open his mouth sometimes and some weird honest shit comes out. It's very unusual for a politician.

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[–] Untitled4774 2 points 7 months ago

Sounds like you would have liked Nazi Germany. And I don’t mean that in a nice way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The fact that the majority of your mouth breathing is removed...I'm sure you spend all your time with like minded people you call cousin and sister in the same breath.

Stop consuming so much media, makes you look very stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How on earth did you grow up believing that people that look similar at all think similar? Did you grow up in a safety bubble? A padded room? Have you ever been outside once in your entire life? Did you climb out of a time machine from the 1600s? Lmfao.

edit: poster edited comment to sound sarcastic.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Prediction: I will look over your account's history, and within the first few pages I will see:

Concern for issues which can be directly translated into "and that's why we shouldn't vote for Biden"
Super-generic expression of economic opinions "I dislike capitalism," probably in meme form

... and nothing else. You won't be concerned about Boeing, or Ticketmaster, or avian flu or climate change (except insofar as climate change can be directly connected to Biden).

Maybe I am wrong. This is just my prediction, based on you suddenly wanting to shoehorn Gaza into a topic that has nothing to do with it, and having no other thoughts on either Japan or Biden, the things that were previously being discussed that had nothing to do with Gaza.

(And, by the way, I think genocide is bad and Biden is bad for abetting it, if you're wondering.)

Brb, checking

Edit: Looks to me like I was more or less right. Also, "Nothing made me smile more than watching our boys in blue wreck those scumbag commies" is not a phrase that any human being in the history of the world has ever spoken in real life.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Did he make eye contact with you right after, and say, "Nothing personal, kid"?

I am sure there are plenty of people who support the police beating up protestors. I'm pretty confident that the number of them who talk to their friends about "our boys in blue" when they're not quoting a 1930s newsreel is in the single digits.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Calling you out for bad faith bullshit isn't sympathizing with fascists. You're not utilizing some novel discourse tactic. Either youre someone's useful idiot or you're well aware of what you're doing. Everyone would prefer if you just fucked off, but either way someone is going to continue calling you out and down voting bullshit into obscurity as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I call this one the "Chewbacca Defense" -- they seize on some logical leap that makes absolutely no sense (and for some reason this one often goes with expressing it really angrily, with insults). This one is a little hard to describe, but some examples are "I can't be a shill, I had an account on Reddit" or this comment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

He's not committed any. He and Congress have done too much to enable it. That is for sure. However our options currently are worse. I'm all for replacing them with something better. Get back to us with a solid plan. Something that won't result in a phyric defeat. Enabling far worse people, just to Virtue signal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Why was this person's comment removed? it said "what about the genocide". Can we have some transparency? Why would that be taken down?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm having trouble identifying the falsehood. Japan's awesome in many ways, but they still have a long way to go to combat xenophobia there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I read the headline and my first thought was "and? Japan is practically legendary for xenophobia". Talk with literally anyone who doesn't look Japanese who has spent any time in Japan and they'll have at least one story of a time they were discriminated against for not "being Japanese" even if they've lived there their entire lives. They're usually fairly polite about it, but they're absolutely xenophobic (with a healthy dose of low key racism).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Japan is one of those countries I'd really like to visit at some point, but as a 6'3" white dude, I know full well I'm gonna stick out like a sore thumb and almost certainly be on the receiving end of some xenophobia there. That's fine, I can deal with it, and there are so many awesome things to see and do in Japan that I'm confident the experience would be extremely positive, but it's still something on my mind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The good news such as it is, is that they're not really malicious about it. This isn't the US style "we don't like your kind around these parts", so much as it is "how cute, the silly foreigner thinks he's people". They probably won't even say anything negative to you, they'll just side eye you and bad mouth you behind your back, maybe pretend not to understand what you're saying even if you're speaking perfect Japanese. Not that everyone in Japan is that way of course, but it's very common there.

If you're just visiting, particularly if you stick to the touristy parts, you probably won't have any problems at all. It's really only once you try to stay for more than a week or two and start having to do normal day to day stuff like trying to establish a bank account, or taking a daily commute that the xenophobia really kicks in.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's an ozma post. It isn't about facts or accuracy. It's about attacking biden as much as possible. Pushing accelerationism, with the purpose of getting more people hurt. Rather than actually helping anyone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. Ozma is obnoxious.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you assume that they actually do want to end the genocide and make things better. You'd be hard pressed to find a way to go about it worse than they have. Alienating people who would otherwise be allies.

Every once in awhile they post an article that I can sort of get behind. But I don't feel that I can up vote it simply because of who they are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most of the articles that aren't anti Biden are anti US in general from what I've seen. It's frustrating because I don't want to give them oxygen but don't want to cede the space.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yes those tend to be slightly more accurate. There is plenty in American policy to be against even as an American.

I think most of us here are fairly lefty. Like to believe were better informed, and not vulnerable to misinformation and propaganda like others. But it isn't the case. There are plenty falling for it. Part of human nature, we all question things that validate our biases less.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I mean yeah but glass houses my dude

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

He's not wrong. But you know, there are some things you just don't say. I don't call my wife fat.