this post was submitted on 26 Jul 2023
741 points (97.7% liked)

Games

32712 readers
1626 users here now

Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.

Weekly Threads:

What Are You Playing?

The Weekly Discussion Topic

Rules:

  1. Submissions have to be related to games

  2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil

  3. No excessive self-promotion

  4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts

  5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW

  6. No linking to piracy

More information about the community rules can be found here.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Meta sneakily introduced "Platform Integrity Attestation API" which basically calls home to see whether the user has a valid license to play.

This means that to run apps user has to have online connection to perform an integrity test. Whether it's only a test on launch or continues call home like Denuvo-like DRMs is not yet clear. This could also mean that modified headsets could fail to pass this test essentially closing down the device for modifications that could damage "platform integrity". Not all details are clear yet but this doesn't look good.

Currently it's optional and up to app developers to enable it.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 186 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No fucking way I'll consider buying one now.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My consideration was off the table after Facebook bought Oculus.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I always wanted one, but when they made it a requirement to have and link a Facebook account to use it I completely lost interest.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I have one. Not long after I bought it, it became a brick because it forced a software update that forced a Facebook sign in to use it.

load more comments (11 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Guess I'll save up for the Valve one

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

HP reverb g2 is pretty solid

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's discontinued unfortunately, so don't expect much in the way of support. But it is a great VR headset that you can get on the cheap ATM

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

It seems (seemed) like a pretty good vr headset....just it's owned by one of the worst companies and I have no interest paying them hundreds for that level of access to my personal information.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago

...and there goes my eagerness to buy the Q3. I loathe drm.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All the shills promised me and other doubters that something like this would never happen. I'm glad I lost all interest in Oculus the moment Facebook bought them.
Hopefully we'll see some solid info on the Deckard this year.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Same. And it's sad because, from what others have said, they are great vr headsets. Hopefully valve nails it with Deckard.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who the fuck are buying shit from google and Facebook? No wonder fucking internet is going to shits

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google Pixel phones are the only phones compatible with GrapheneOS, so there's one reason.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They're also easy to unlock and relock the bootloader on

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're also absolutely the best phones you can buy, in my opinion.

And you literally can't buy phones that don't have anti-consumer software.

No one sells the old Nokia bricks, and even if they did, the networks they run on have been deprecated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The quest is amazing. It’s cheap and completely standalone while also giving you the ability to use it with pc vr games.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So glad I avoid Meta products. I doubt they will be satisfied until they can live sell your data and display ads while you use the product.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those are two very different things. Advertising giants don't actually "sell" your data, it's really not in their best interest, they make money by being the only ones with your data.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Liiiiiitle bit of an outrage attempting title.

The API is being added, it’s optional for developers, and the person that is quoted in the article even says that it’s not really going to be used for that.

Also there’s never been anything stopping developers from making their games “always online” to begin with, so this changes nothing.

This is like saying steam requires always online simply because an api exists for online checking drm.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a fair comparison to Steam as it allows indefinite-ish offline access as long as you check in once. This new Quest restriction has nothing like this. It's more similar to DRM systems like Denuvo that call home on startup or during play time. The API also checks device integrity which means access to apps could be disabled for modified devices and Steam does nothing of sort.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The comparison was that the ability to enforce always online exists in steam, just like it will here. Neither will mandate it.

The ability to do this isn’t only being added now, it’s just that meta have made an api for it that developers can use if they want instead of writing their own.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Honestly I'm not as optimistic as you are. Official API gives implicit permission for DRM. Right now if an APP did this it would be review bombed and suffer backslash. With official API it'll slowly normalizes DRM and suddenly everything requires online.

Quest is getting more closed with every release - remember when Facebook login was not required? The whole dev ecosystem is getting more complex with every update. This seems like an up-coming trend especially now that Quests main competition will be an extremely closed ecosystem of Apple. This will give Quest permision to basically lock down more.

My bet is that a year in most of the apps will have this DRM though I'd love to be proven wrong. I love my Quest 2 and only use it to draw/sculpt when I travel and that would basically kill the device for me so I might be a bit over protective of my hobby here but it really sucks when you buy a thing and somebody else tells you how to use it.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are all these companies hell bent on making more e-waste

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, what the fuck do they think they're protecting against?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's not about protecting anything, it's about acquiring and selling as much of your personal data as they can.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Aaaaaaaaaand just like that, never buying a Facebook headset. Also because apparently they firmware updated to requiring a Facebook account.

Meh.

I'll go valve index 2.0

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] _haha_oh_wow_ 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds pretty on-brand for them.

Remember kids: Meta = cancer

Do everything you can to stop meta from metastasizing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Oh cool. Another reason to not buy one.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We've reached a point that technology is not improving, but degrading -- who on earth is going to accept this as is and let third parties acquire random information about them, including their credit card? I mean, if a hacker manages to bust (whatever feature that allows this bs to happen) and forward info to them instead of the meta HQ -- they are going to have a heck of a honeypot.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I very much doubt even 10% of Quest owners will even bother to complain online about this.

[–] Disk 9 points 1 year ago

Complain? I would be shocked if 10% of quest users even know it's happening

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Welp as someone who cannot maintain a constant internet connection on my devices this is quite the turnoff

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Another reason I would never buy a Meta product

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I can't imagine what kind of a bad way I'd have to be in mentally to end up buying a Meta product...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yep. Called it. Again.

Glad I got a Vive.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This will be removed once thousands of little Billy or grandma's can't get that app to work, just like the Facebook requirement. Their support is a joke.

I had an app stuck in the update queue (still no way to see that queue). The recommendation was to do a factory reset. Not open up queue, restart download, not remove from queue - none of those things you can do! Good thing I had sidequest and was able to open up the quest taskmanger on my computer and do a force quit or I would never have been able to download anything again!

No way they let something that does that on purpose everytime the router goes out. Millions of factory resets? No, millions of returns.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Oculus was dead to me the moment it was announced Facebook was purchasing them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have trigeminal neuralgia, a painful nerve disorder in my face, meaning I can't wear VR headsets. So when I find out that Zuckerberg's "VR is going to change everything" bullshit has yet another issue, I feel smug. Pretty much the only time I can feel smug about trigeminal neuralgia.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man am I glad I bought an index after my rift s broke

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

STEAM DECKERD WHERE ARE YOU

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I thought about getting a Quest 2. Glad I didn't.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LOL

Master class in destroying a product line.

Can't tell who is more clueless, Zuck or Musk? They both seem to be hell bent on ruining their own companies.

The one thing I am excited about is eventually seeing Meta cancel their entire Quest division and clearing-out all these VR devices for pennies on the dollar. At which point I would expect some enterprising hackers find a way to run them off a regular PC without needing them to phone-home all the time.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This doesn't affect using it as a PC VR headset though, does it?

Because that's the only reason I was thinking of waiting for a Quest 3 instead of buying a Pico, anyways.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've had my quest 2 for a while now but not used it in a bit. Certainly not making me want to play it or get anything new for it.

load more comments
view more: next ›