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  • China missiles filled with water, not fuel: US intelligence
  • Xi seeking to root out corruption, prepare military for combat

US intelligence indicates that President Xi Jinping’s sweeping military purge came after it emerged that widespread corruption undermined his efforts to modernize the armed forces and raised questions about China’s ability to fight a war, according to people familiar with the assessments.

The corruption inside China’s Rocket Force and throughout the nation’s defense industrial base is so extensive that US officials now believe Xi is less likely to contemplate major military action in the coming years than would otherwise have been the case, according to the people, who asked not to be named discussing intelligence.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (3 children)

China missiles filled with water, not fuel: US intelligence

Somebody fucked up the actual story somewhere along the way. A normal problem with liquid ICBMs like a DF5 is tiny amounts of water contamination in propellant. N2O4 is meant to sit in a missile for months but if even just the humidity in the air gets in to it, it forms nitric acid and corrodes the missile. That happened to US ICBMs like the Titan II constantly and the US never reliably stopped it, they just switched to solid fuel. If contractors cut corners building a silo water contamination causing corrosion is the first thing that would go wrong. Meth heads siphoning rocket fuel and trying to replace it with water and dying instantly in a massive explosion didn't happen.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hate to be that guy, but source?

All the info I could find is derived from the Bloomburg article, which clearly says "water instead of fuel", and also silo doors that don't fully open lmao

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The accusations as I understand it is the fuel never got to the missile, it was sold black market elsewhere and someone filled the missile with water instead because you can't really check it given how it reacts with moisture in the air.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No source it's just pretty much physically impossible. Even if there's no safety system setting off alarms N2O4/UDMH is denser than water, you can't fit enough water in the rocket to make it weigh like it's full of fuel, it's going to read like 20% is missing either way. And if nobody cares about that why are you putting anything in it at all?

Water contamination and the 100 ton armored door not working are both super likely results of generals embezzling money, water instead of fuel is dumb and Bloomberg has a track record of fucking up this kind of thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

So your proof is just that you think your scenario is more plausible than what Bloomburg reported?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Bro but like chinese walter white???? /wwww