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But critics insist the costs of those solar panels are beginning to outweigh the benefits.

Incentive payments to homes with solar, they say, have led to higher electricity rates for everyone else — including families that can’t afford rooftop panels. If so, that’s not only unfair, it’s damaging to the state’s climate progress. Higher electricity rates make it less likely that people will drive electric cars and install electric heat pumps in their homes — crucial climate solutions.

The solar industry disputes the argument that solar incentive payments are driving up rates, as do many environmental activists. But Newsom’s appointees to the Public Utilities Commission are convinced, as they made clear Thursday.

“We need to reach our [climate] goals as fast as we can,” said Alice Reynolds, the commission’s president. “But we also need to be extremely thoughtful about how we reach our climate change goals in the most cost-effective manner.”

When I am having a stroke, I don't stop and calculate of the most cost effective treatment options. I go to the emergency room. We could have done this calculation in 1970 and acted, but that ship has sailed.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't understand. What's the difference? One one hand, energy production is distributed and on the other it's centralized.

What I mean is, if eveyone had solar then we would have a "public, at-scale renewable energy project"

[–] sbv 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to the op-ed

Those groups make the case that large solar farms produce electricity at a far lower cost than rooftop panels.

Which is kind of short on details. Googling, I see:

2019 non-partisan estimates put the midpoint unsubsidised levelised cost for residential rooftop solar at 20¢/kWh, for commercial/industrial rooftop solar at 11¢/kWh, and for grid-scale solar at 4¢/kWh. That’s a big gap.

As the author says, that's a big gap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what's the value of single point of failure?

[–] sbv 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Decentralized power generation can be good for redundancy/resilency/off-the-grid purposes, but if you want the highest efficiency, you need large scale, centrally engineered not-for-profit projects.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You only need high efficiency if your energy source costs money.

When your energy source falls out of the sky every damn day, efficiency is irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I think they should move to subsidising home batteries instead, just to smooth out the peaks and troughs that come with renewables. If you do that, and add some smarts to electric car chargers you'd be able to remove the need for fossil powered peaker plants. Solar is generating more than can be used on some days, and we need to focus on time shifting load and generation when possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In theory you’re not wrong. The problems with this in practice are several, which I won’t go into, except to say that it’s a very American/individualistic/neoliberal solution to what is a collective problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ll add that I’m not universally against installing small projects. It has its uses. Given federal dollars I think it’s fine to have such projects in the mix, just not as the bulk of the infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we just called them freedom panels adoption would be so much faster. Then if everyone had panels it would be decentralized.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

USA! USA! USA!