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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You obviously have the right to like or dislike whatever suits you. But tolerance is a requirement for society to function. Our likes and dislikes come from individual perspective, and no one individual can see the whole picture. Tolerance is a way of accounting for that on an individual level by broadening the bounds of what we deem acceptable by some amount, which allows us to cooperate in a broader, complex society. Generally all this means is lending people the benefit of the doubt if they're not actively harming someone.

It's hard to know what exactly pisses you off about this, because you haven't mentioned specifics about what controversial opinions you have, only that you have a right to have them. And fair's fair, some people would take some opinions away from you on social media platforms, or enact harsh penalties for holding hateful beliefs, and I am not really down with that. I'm optimistic about people and do my best to come at these things with respect, and believe in people's ability to learn and grow. I'm wrong and learn things all the time, it's a good thing!

But man, I gotta say that grace is difficult to offer sometimes. I'm trans, and you'd be surprised how quickly "basic human decency" fades as soon as that comes up sometimes. One example of too fucking many: when I came out, my folks disowned me on the spot. They framed much of it in more or less the same rhetoric you use here - personal truth > your feelings, don't bring it up if you don't want my opinion, I can't match other people's values, "tolerant" people are actually the intolerant ones, etc. Between the accusations of autogynephilia and furious bloviating about the sanctity of their opinions, there was no room to just honestly talk - and so therefore, nobody learned anything.

This line of thinking shuts down opposition by dominating the discussion with your opinions and feelings and crying foul when people feel the need to engage you about it. Unfortunately, this presents a brick wall that not only seals yourself from critique, but also seals yourself from having your views challenged and learning more about the world. It's good for no one and only serves to weaken the social fabric of society.

[–] mayoi -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

tolerance is a requirement for society to function

No it isn't. Watch this. I stopped reading there because I'm indifferent to anything you have to say about it. And while that may annoy you now, eventually you will realize that it doesn't affect you negatively whatsoever, this is how entire world works right now, you're practically unaware of things happening outside your own street right now, and it works just fine.

Everyone lives in their own small bubble, some people have only their family and their job. Some have that just more friends... But in the end most people pass by eachother without any reaction between one another whatsoever. Everyone has their own problems to deal with and frankly they are busy dealing with them and not caring about others. People who have no problems of their own can go and try pester others about theirs are very fortunate I guess, but that's neither normal nor a thing that should be pushed onto everyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very cute of you, but I've got bigger worries than whether or not internet strangers care about my opinion. Enjoy your bubble.

[–] mayoi -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Did you just... Agree with me? But somehow were unable to realize it?

Indifference won.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Naw, it's just the healthiest way I've found to approach people online. Lead with earnestness and a desire to understand, don't sweat it when people shut you out - helps with finding the good folks in a hostile world. If you're so truly indifferent, why respond in the first place?

[–] mayoi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because indifference is a word that doesn't stand on its own, it's a noun that requires another noun to be relevant in a different context. It's not my job to teach you English language in the first place so I'm not sure what's so perplexing to you, but it's literally not my problem if you thought that indifference implies indifference to other people because those are two different things, believe me or not, there are many things you can be indifferent to and the fact I have to explain this to you makes it look like you never spoke to another human in real life before.

Like seriously, you cannot fathom talking to someone, and being so indifferent to other person's political views that you never bring it up? You can't be indifferent to what food they like when you aren't going to go eat food together? You couldn't possibly care less about what books they like if you can't even read?

You really need the "beautiful" word "tolerance" for all of this to mentally masturbate yourself instead about every topic that you couldn't give a fuck about to feel better about yourself instead?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get on with a lot of people irl, across the political spectrum. I don't tend to bring up politics unless it's already being discussed. Unfortunately, my existence is somewhat political so it gets brought up for me. I wish it wasn't like that, but I do have to deal with people who would rather I don't exist and that is not something I can be indifferent toward. The only thing I ask for when I ask for tolerance, is the benefit of the doubt. It's not a way to feel better about myself, it's self-preservation.

I don't yet understand why you're so pissed off, why you assume so much about someone over the internet you've never met, or why you talk like you're forced to respond to me. With respect - you're interesting.

[–] mayoi 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] mayoi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This isn't reddit, find a better cope than "lul u mad".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just calling it how I see it. I don't know you, but these don't strike me as the words of someone at peace, and if you're unaware of that it's better you hear it from someone.

[–] mayoi 1 points 1 year ago

You will see it however you want to see it even when someone on internet will tell you something else than whatever you see and it's not my problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No it isn't. Watch this. I stopped reading there because I'm indifferent to anything you have to say about it

Hey wow, I didn't catch this earlier, but you're a hypocrite too. Doing the exact thing here you tried to call me out for almost word for word, right about at the same time. Incredible. You truly are a piece of work