this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2023
61 points (91.8% liked)

Meta (lemm.ee)

3590 readers
2 users here now

lemm.ee Meta

This is a community for discussion about this particular Lemmy instance.

News and updates about lemm.ee will be posted here, so if that's something that interests you, make sure to subscribe!


Rules:


If you're a Discord user, you can also join our Discord server: https://discord.gg/XM9nZwUn9K

Discord is only a back-up channel, [email protected] will always be the main place for lemm.ee communications.


If you need help with anything, please post in !support instead.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

See longer post (not by me) there, if all is true then they should fall under both the spam and mass lemm.ee rule breaking defederation rules, both bigotry and abusive language, though not always in combination.

Also the covenant thing Mastodon has would probably be a good idea.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I would ask lemm.ee users to please use the report function whenever you see our rules being broken in any of our communities! A large volume of rule breaking users from a single instance would certainly push me to defederate that instance, and reports would be the main signal for me to gauge that.

I don't have the capacity to go out and vet content on other instances in general (as all admins, I am running lemm.ee as a volunteer out of my free time). I want to be upfront: I am not providing a curated service in terms of who we federate with. This is why I wrote todays post about administration and federation on lemm.ee. So please bear in mind that as a user on lemm.ee, you are expected to share some responsibility for keeping our communities clean, by always downvoting low quality content and reporting rule violations. In addition to downvoting and reporting, I personally also am a huge fan of people who have the energy to respond to bigots, explaining why they're wrong (in civil terms) - even if there's 0.001% chance of getting through to the particular author of a horrible comment, there is still a chance that a rebuttal in the response will be seen by someone else who will be affected in a positive direction.

To be clear, I am not somebody that believes that all ideas should get a platform without exception. Quite the opposite, I am super happy to shut down hateful content. It's just a matter of putting my energy where I think it is most useful. For example, I would rather spend a week worth of free time working on better moderation tools or better self-service tools for users to curate their own feed, than spend the same time going through external instances in order to figure out how many racists they have and how well are they moderating them. That is why I have made the decision (for now) to focus most of my moderation efforts on things that happen within lemm.ee, and not externally.

I also want to say that I do not want to act hastily based on little information. I'm sure this will frustrate some of our users (and I'm very sorry about that), but I have not had time to research the Exploding Heads situation, and I don't want to effectively create a new rift in the federated network, without first being absolutely sure that such an action is really necessary to protect lemm.ee users.

By the way, regarding this the_donald situation on sh.itjust.works, the OP of the linked post said this:

Since The_Donald was removed, I did not find more racist content on the mentioned servers. That is part their tactics.

This seems like a great outcome to me - the_donald was removed and there is no more racist content. I would not think this is a good example of a reason to defederate another instance. I understand that part of the complaint is that the admin of sh.itjust.works took too long to respond to the situation, and as a user I can see why this would be frustrating, but as an admin, I can tell you that I can also see why he wanted to see evidence before acting. In the end, I really like that he removed the community as soon as he saw evidence of it being awful.

Just to leave you with my main point, I do not want to federate with instances which aim to hurt our communities or users, but I need concrete and specific evidence of this before I take drastic action. So please report rule violations, and if I see that banning violators does not work, then defederation will certainly be the next move.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If I reported hate speech advocates on this instance (I am writing from kbin) will my report go to you or to ernest ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Almost certainly to ernest. Anything you see or interact with while the kbin.social URL remains in your browser bar is coming from kbin.social. It may be content that originated elsewhere, but you're always engaging with a local copy. So, that report button is on k-soc, and it reports to the k-soc admin.

I don't even know if kbin has a way of knowing who the remote admins even are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, I was wondering where the reports go. Mastodon has an option to forward the report to the remote server admins too, maybe kbin/Lemmy will get something like that eventually.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That would be a nice feature, yeah

load more comments (4 replies)