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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For the life of me I can't understand why Canada allows the main mechanism of bank transfers be privately managed (Interac).

A public service concession to a monopolistic company is the worst of all worlds. Well, at least it exists, so it's already better than the real worst of all worlds that is US inter-banking shitfest. Still, being second-to-last isn't occasion for celebration.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Absolutely agree INTERAC should be nationalized. This is why I like CBDCs it's because we'll have the opportunity to further strengthen public sovereignty and interests in our own currency.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm actually curious as to who/how interac is governed. In the USA it's also private and TERRIBLE compared to Canada. I don't know if that's just the result of private sector success or if there is a bigger story there.

No idea how it works elsewhere in the world, but your comment suggests there are others that do it even better?

[–] Croquette 2 points 1 year ago

Interac is a private company acting as a payment processor just like MasterCard or Visa.

Each bank have an interface with Interac, and each terminal/cards that supports Interac as well.

This simplifies a transaction. The banks, terminal manufacturer and card manufacturers just need to make sure that their products are certified by Interac (or MasterCard or Visa) and they can make a transaction between them without interfacing with each banks, terminal and card manufacturers directly.

In exchange, the payment processor takes a cut. Usually it's a base fee + a percentage of the transaction. But each bank and merchants are free to negotiate these fees.

I think that all payment processors are private, but I could be wrong.

From memory, MasterCard and Visa are heavily based on EMV while Interac did their own thing first and then tried to somewhat converge towards EMV. So they have a funky specification. I think that Discover are based on EMV as well, but they do their own thing as well with a legacy payment processing (Diner's club or something like that)

Banks are risk averse, so trying to get into the payment processor market today would be extremely hard as all the major players already have an interface with the banks, and the terminal/card manufacturers want to ship as many unit as possible, so they pick popular payment processors.

Development and certification is expensive, so they try to do as less payment processor they can get away with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No idea how it works elsewhere in the world, but your comment suggests there are others that do it even better?

Some countries have an instant payment system managed by the central bank, like Brazil (BCB & Pix) and Hong Kong (HKMA & FPS). Looks like the US is trying with FedNow but let's see how that goes... hoping for the best really, and that Canada catches on.

Even if a complete instant payment system isn't federalized, there are other ways central banks can at least enforce some interoperability of money transfers. That should be the bare minimum.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Zelle and Venmo dominate and the US government is rather incompetent at government services given all the small government folks there.