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I Was Wrong About Queerbaiting - Sarah Z (www.youtube.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This video talks primarily about the way that a lot of gatekeeping discourse in queer circles actually hurts closeted and questioning people, and how some of it copies transphobic narratives about trans women, ect.

I have been thinking about this for AWHILE now. I remember having an argument with my girlfriend (who has since changed her mind about the issue, though her position is now apathy) and my now ex-best friend (not over this argument, lol, much bigger issues) about the whole "only queer actors should take queer parts" issue. And for some reason at the time I didnt think of the "that would seriously hurt a closeted actors by basically becoming forced outing" at the time (but I thought of it before Sarah mentioned it in this video lol, it was bringing it up to my girlfriend that made me learn that she had shifted her position).

The thing about "men wearing skirts are predators looking to take advantage of women" seems especially toxic to me because it is literally the SAME thing said about trans women just targeted towards GNC men who still identify as cis instead. Its one of those things that for me should seem bad ON ITS FACE in a way to the people saying it, sort of like how I was shocked to see people who say they hate TERFs echoing ace exclusion discourse) .

I've also been against faux-progressive/social justice language being used for bullying and gatekeeping for a long time now.

So this is just another manifestation of that.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't really have much to add here. The "queer roles should be for queer actors" thing is a pretty small part of the video, she just mentions at one point that an actor who played a bi character in a TV show was harassed because of that and then was basically forced to out himself as bi as a result. And for me, the MAIN concern behind the idea that that should be policy is my fear of forced outing. I want to support my closeted and questioning comrades as I was questioning for a long time.

But yeah, idk I know you were more thinking aloud then stating an opinion but I still come around to saying "I agree with what you said here" anyway? Lol sorry. Hoping someone comes around that can help you more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh yeah I finally got to the forced outing and that's really way bigger a concern than my aesthetic ones. It's just such a thorny/knotty issue, made worse by art under capitalism.

Also yeah, I'm just pondering here. soviet-hmm but I appreciate your reading and agreeing.

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