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From a materialist lense, middle class usually refers to the small business owners, landlords, etc. Petty bourgeoisie basically. They historically tend to welcome fascist ideology out of fear of losing their privileged position in society.
So there's a difference between the working person who might get caught in a false consciousness versus the tenuously well-off person who's somewhat class conscious. The latter is likely a lost cause more often than not. The former can often be reasoned with if we can speak to their experiences as a worker and cut through the spectacle.
But yeah the Liberal use of the term "middle class" as someone occupying arbitrary income brackets is an immaterial abstraction with very little utility for either prediction or description.
In my mind it's always comes down to a very simple question: Do they have to work for someone, or does someone work for them? If the first is true, they're working class, if the second, they're capitalist class, aka ruling class.
There is no middle class.
Eh I just don't think there's much utility in being so strict with categories. That's fine as a shorthand though, and for explaining to coworkers who aren't familiar with the theories.
But the point of a material analysis is to, well, analyze. What are people's material interests? How do those interests shape a person's revolutionary or reactionary potential?
Rather than try to illustrate it myself with made-up examples, I'm gonna delete the paragraph I wrote and just post an actual material analysis from history
The whole point is that we're fighting amongst ourselves about what basically amounts to comfort levels for the most of us, while we should all look at each other as comrades to stand with against those that are actively taking advantage of all of us plus the rift we've created between ourselves.
I agree with the sentiment, but please do read the essay I linked. It really changed the way I thought about things.
It's very much about strategizing and analysis, not moralizing or dividing or anything like that.
Oof, I just looked and I'll try when I'm better rested but damn, someone really needs to find a way to make theory accessible to nonmedicated ADHDers 😬
i'm nonmedicated adhd.
it's a short read. maybe five minutes.
if you want the tldr: there are divisions within classes and they need to be analyzed and understood. just going by someone's relationship to wages in the value form is bound to mess you up.
especially in the essay format, you can keep your own attention by reading the conclusion first and then reading the rest with that in mind.
Oh I can empathize with that struggle. If I get time this week maybe I'll try to write a basic summary of it.
from zak cope's divided world, divided class.
on class:
cope explains:
and lastly:
No offense but isn't that basically my point but with a whoooole lot more words and (again with) the reinforcement of these differents parts of the working class?
labor aristocracy work for people but the people they work for are sufficiently subsidized by global imperialism that they can compensate the labor aristocracy in a manner that would be equivalent to the bourgeoisie anywhere outside of the imperial core. the labor aristocracy understand this at a base level and thus tend to align their interests with the interests of imperialists and global capital accordingly. hence the fascist base comment.
That's the simple way of looking at it, but things have a tendency to become more complicated. There's talk of labor aristocrats and petite bourgeoisie for a reason.
Hitlers first and most ardent supporters were generally middle class. I'll see if I can find so e English literature on it