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[–] ponfriend 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There were slave owners who believed they were morally right too, and your argument says they should have been left alone. We're smart enough to know they were wrong and that your Christians and Muslims are wrong. We should be writing articles and making choices accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My argument doesn't say they should have been "left alone" though. I'm just saying everyone should have a voice and a right to believe what they believe.

Basically, I believe in the old-school left: The ACLU defending the KKK's right to have rallies, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death" etc. As far as I can see, having the election and the debate in the public sphere about whether gay marriage should be allowed is a good thing. I just don't think it's a good thing once it goes into the territory of saying, you're not allowed to say that, because we're smart enough to know that you're wrong. If you say the wrong thing, I'll try to take your job. If you contribute to the wrong side of the issue, I'll try to take your job.

I mean, I do get what you're saying -- if someone used to support slavery, and we're using that as an argument for why now after the war they shouldn't run a newspaper (or why I shouldn't buy that newspaper), is that okay? If you put it that way to me, it sounds fine, so on that count maybe I agree with you. How about this, do you think the KKK should be allowed to hold rallies, if racism is what they believe?

[–] ponfriend 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This isn't about what Eich used to believe. This is about a law that he helped pass and still supports. I wouldn't give my money to somebody who helped pass a law to bring back slavery that they still support. We know that this is wrong.

Eich and the KKK can continue to advocate for the wrong side. We should continue to argue against them and not give them our support.