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the US struck a secret agreement with Ishii. In a memo to General Douglas MacArthur (1880 – 1964), commander of Allied forces in Japan, Washington recognized that although war crimes had been committed, the experiments led by Ishii and his colleagues were "almost incalculable and incredibly valuable to the United States."

In exchange for the records of Unit 731's experiments, the US granted Ishii and his assistants immunity. Ishii died, and his collaborators went on to have careers in prestigious universities and private laboratories.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The US government made several deals with some inhuman characters after the war. Yes, the science was (potentially) valuable, because there is no way that a moral human would perform the experiments, but granting immunity may have been too much. It’s past time that these people are recognized for what they are.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ishii Shiro is a prime example.

He was the head of Unit 731 and did things like live and unanesthetized vivisections on people, bioloogical weapons testing on children, etc.. Which is among the milder things. The US made a deal for all his data, and he lived his last years in peace and anonymity as a free man. He actually worked for free as a local doctor for a period.

If you look up information about him in Japanese sources, most of it is apparently all about how was such a nice man who helped people, and basically that he did a little oopsie in the 40s.


Yes, the science was valuable,

That's one of the worse parts, they didn't really gain any of the knowledge they hoped for:

However, the information obtained was not of significant value, as the U.S. biological warfare program had surpassed the capabilities of Unit 731 by 1943.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From what I've gathered, the experiments of unit 731 were more like shengele, more focussed on cruelly than actual science

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Not to mention there was often no method or recorded data, so even calling them "science" of any kind is doubious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

At least he repaid some of his debt to society.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I don't see how grant immunity, sign documents, transfer them to US - take all documentation and knowledge, higher court later declares the immunity invalid, execute them for war crimes was off the table. It would likely be legal. It would surely be less immoral than letting them free.

What, did the US generals not want to have a bad rep with future war criminals??

'Gosh no we can't do that - we made a pinky swear to some of the worst people who ever lived'.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

I mean, that would work once or twice, but after that I don't think remaining war criminals would agree to the deal, knowing their predecessors were executed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Right? They figured that out a decade or so later.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heck Project Paperclip is why the USA fell, brought over all the nazi scientists and used Witness Protection to dissapear them into the populace, growing a bu ch of nazi families.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Given how many Nazis are kicking around these days, I'm starting to think that might have been the case. The 3rd reich just played the long game.