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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And this is why we lost. People are screaming for help, and Democrats just said "you're wrong, everything is actually fine. It's all in your head. Biden actually did help you! You were just too uninformed to notice it."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are not really lying, which is especially frustrating. But it wasn't enough by a long shot.

Telling someone that can't get out of a bog that you moved him a centimeter into the right direction will probably earn you some insults, despite the help.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The thing is that people somehow don't seem to realise there's a bog monster pulling in the opposite direction. Yes, it's a problem that they only got pulled 1 cm in the right direction. Yes, it's well worth criticising that it could have been 10 cm if the person doing the pulling hadn't tied a hand behind their back. But 1 cm of movement in the right direction is still far better than 2 m of movement in the wrong direction because the bog monster gained the upper hand.

And the people standing on the sidelines saying "let go of their hand and grab mine! I'll pull you in the right direction with both hands!" are also acting in bad faith, because if they actually had an interest in doing that they'd be grabbing onto the person who's currently doing the pulling and pulling helping them pull rather than expecting the victim to release and flounder around for their hand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

The thing is that people somehow don’t seem to realise there’s a bog monster pulling in the opposite direction.

And we need to reach across the aisle to work with the bog monster! Don't you support bipartisanship?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People act like Democrats were just ignoring what people wanted, while Republican politicians and judges were blocking them every step of the way. Just look at how many ways Biden's school debt relief plans were defeated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People act like Democrats were just ignoring what people wanted, while Republican politicians and judges were blocking them every step of the way.

Joe Manchin was a Democrat when he blocked BBB. He was a Democrat when he killed the expanded child tax credit and doubled child poverty in the US overnight. Sinema was a Democrat when she delivered the thumbs down that remains the party's last word on the minimum wage.

We saw Democrats get in their own way over and over during this administration.

Ordering us to be happy when we saw what happened is no different than ordering someone who can't afford groceries to be happy that the economy is working great for billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Manchin wouldn't have mattered if there weren't dozens of Republicans voting against it too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Republicans voted with their party.

So did Manchin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The Republican party is the problem. Manchin is irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Manchin did what you wanted him to and so you're deflecting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just look at how many ways Biden’s school debt relief plans were defeated.

Because Biden did it in ways the judges could block. Per the Department of Education, the executive has the authority to simply delete the debt and dare the judges to create new debt out of thin air.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He really doesn't have that authority and the supreme court would have shut that down even faster.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

He really doesn’t have that authority

He does, per Harvard Law School

supreme court would have shut that down

There's not much the scotus can do once it's already been deleted.

If they order Biden to just create new records of debt, he can ignore them. Even attempting that would help create political will to marginalize the SCOTUS. Not that Biden would never pack the court, because "it would make it political"

[–] Supernova1051 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because Biden did it in ways the judges could block

What options are available?

Per the Department of Education, the executive has the authority to simply delete the debt

That doesn't seem to be the case as "The president ... can forgive debts only when Congress authorizes it" [1].

[1] https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-limits-of-presidential-power-to-forgive-student-loans-a-constitutional-law-expert-answers-5-questions-201138

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The president has the power to order the Department of education to delete the debt..

It doesn't matter if the courts later turn around and go "that was illegal", the debt is already gone and watching them try to create it out of thin air would be a wonderful tool to destroy the political legitimacy of the right-wing courts.

[–] Supernova1051 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The president has the power to order the Department of education to delete the debt…

any sources to back this up? stating it as fact does not make it one.

[–] eestileib 3 points 3 days ago

Absolutely fucking right.

"Your doctor won't be able to offer you prenatal care or freeze your eggs for fertility treatment!

"I can't afford rent or eggs and you think I have a DOCTOR? You think I can afford to even think about having a kid?"

"Look at the stock market though!"