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People can change for the better, and Harris has changed her stance on weed.
Would I rather have a few other folks who were always on the right side of history? Yes.
Is someone who has improved on critical issues acceptable? Also yes.
When she publicly apologizes for her past drug and inmate politics, we can call it a day. Until then they just fucking our ass and asking for our vote later.
I'm sure that when she apoligizes for that you will just find something else to insist she apologize for since changing apparently isn't enough.
But what has she actually done to show any change? Lives are still ruined, they're still being ruined every day. She hasn't apologized, she hasn't undone any harm, she hasn't made progress on reparations to the communities she's hurt. All she's done is say "I changed" without actually changing anything.
We don't need to find anything else to insist she apologize for, she literally hasn't apologized for anything. We're asking her to take the first step and you're mad that we would ask her to take a second.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-record-marijuana-prosecutor-173249390.html
Is trying a first step, or does it require succeeding?
Does that not count because it is attempting to prevent future convictions instead of magically overturning the convictions from when she was a prosecutor?
You're probably correct. Until capitalism and all unjust hierarchies are abolished, anarchists will always have criticisms for those in power.
I'm not sure who coined the phrase, and I'm probably paraphrasing pretty heavily here, but - Anarchism is a process, not a goal.
Complaints about moving the goalposts aren't really a valid criticism of anarchism in my mind. The goalpost is still seemingly impossibly far away. We're just trying to hit some checkpoints along the way.
I just wanna be treated like a human being. If you like to have an arrogant bully manipulating you as she pleases then enjoy that fucked up relationship. Just remember, being raised without ever hearing an apologize doesn't mean u don't deserve it.
Vote if u please, but don't call that thing a human being.
I'm sorry, are you calling Kamala Harris a thing?
I didn't remove it for being wrong, I removed it for supporting oppressive systems. Rule 2
Now I'm removing this one for being uncivil and rude. Rule 3
How was my first comment supportive of oppressive systems? Saying a prosecutor can't unilaterally decide weed isn't a crime doesn't mean I support prosecuting it. I don't think she's the best but at least leave up reasonable comments.
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/trump-claims-harris-jailed-thousands-and-thousands-of-black-people-over-marijuana-but-her-actual-record-as-a-prosecutor-is-more-nuanced/
"She was just doing her job" isn't a defense when her job was literally that of the oppressor.
I'll admit it's an outdated meme. Doesn't make her above criticism though.
Acceptable to you is an oppessor to others.
I don't recall seeing anyone say she is above criticism.
Have you criticized her on the internet?
I have criticized her, possibly elsewhere on the internet if not here. Hell, I didn't want her until after Biden dropped out and she stepped up to actually push back effectively against Republican fascism.
But if you just want me to say one bad thing about her so you don't think I'm some kind of fan boy, Harris was wrong recently in saying there is no reason to burn the US flag. That was very nationalistic of her.
If that isn't good enough, have you passed your own purity test and criticized her the right way on the internet?
Side note: I'm not a registered Democrat because I dislike political parties as a concept and the Dems suck because overall they are moderates who perpetuate shitty policies by over funding police, drag their feet on ending the war on drugs, took way to long to support LGBTQ+ rights (and still only do the bare minimum), plus all of the other stupid shit they do. But I am interested in them winning elections to keep out the way worse Republicans who are actively trying to turn the country into a fascist hellhole instead of fascism light like it is now.
It's not s purity test, anytime I post even mild critisism of Harris I get all sorts of nasty response including insinuating that I support orange cancer man, that I'm a Russian bot, & that they don't give a fuck about my concerns(like criminal justice reform or policies that are transphobic)