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Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You're buying their excuses. Chechnya wasn't joining NATO. South Ossetia wasn't joining NATO. Ukraine wasn't joining NATO before they lost Crimea in 2014.

Russia is an aggressive power that uses military might to hold power over people that do not want to be ruled by Moscow.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I've come to the realization that the only people truly believing ruZZian excuses, are people too young to know better. And not in a "hurr it's all 12 year Olds" kind of way but in a "you have not paying attention to the wider world for long enough to know how some places just are"

And yeah, sure we all know what we want the world to be, but unfortunately right now we have to deal with how things are.

And how things are shows that Russia is clearly in the wrong here, full stop.

[–] Barbarian 17 points 4 months ago

It also tends to be people farthest away from what's going on. The most anti-Russian countries tend to be those geographically closest to Russia. Those on the border with them know what's at stake and why having military backing against Russian aggression is so important.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

They also have the support of the minority that wants to tear down democracy as a ruling principle. Some of those people are quite intelligent, they're just mean and believe in power, violence and the importance of suffering. In their world the truth is not objective, what is true is whatever the strongest person says it is, because he will hurt you if you disagree. This destruction of objective factuality is a core part of their methodology and overall worldview.

We had to defeat them in a World War just to get to where we are today, but they never did fully give up. Stubborn sorts.

[–] thetreesaysbark 18 points 4 months ago

Funny how there was no reply to this comment. I wonder why they didn't get back to you. Maybe they needed to cook dinner, or go to work, or rethink their entire life.

I hope it's the last one but I'm not counting on it.