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[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm not sure you're going to get an objective answer to this as no one has lived a life of either having kids or not having kids, hungrythirstyhorny.

I will say that, as a single male in his mid forties who has observed a good amount of life; first, the thought of not having people to rely on in you're old age is a little worrisome; and two, not having had someone to pass my knowledge and skills down to is a little sad. However, I really enjoy the freedom and opportunities my life (and bank account) affords me.

There is always a cost to freedom. Or, as Jonis Joplin put it - freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Choosing to not have children is a selfish act. Whether "selfish" is a bad thing or not is subjective.

I would offer that anyone who's going through life without children, find some altruistic outlet to participate in. You can otherwise find yourself wondering what your legacy may be or what the point of your life has been - aka a mid-life crisis.

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I think that deciding not to have kids is not a selfish act. Having kids just to have a fallback when old and frail on the other hand side is very much so.

[โ€“] imaqtpie 5 points 5 months ago

I agree, I don't think not having kids has anything to do with being selfish.

But I guess what they meant to say is just that having kids is hard. A lot of times, people become more selfless and less focused on their own wants and needs after they become parents.

Of course, some people don't actually become more selfless or responsible, and instead they just become bad, narcissistic parents. But the choice to have kids is associated with the choice to be a responsible adult and work for the benefit of others, at least in theory.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That argument makes sense. Though I see it more from choosing to prioritize yourself and own self interests over having children and sharing a life with them as selfish too. I guess we're all selfish one way or another.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Right, I get what you mean, and I agree. No matter how you put it, nothing is ever entirely selfless.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In your second paragraph, the two reasons you stated to have kids are entirely selfish. Then you say not having kids is selfish?

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

I offered two reasons I personally may regret not having children. I could list several others such as the pure joy of watching them grow into adults and mimic you and your partner. If you want to say that's selfish, to bring another human into the word to experience a universe of emotion you'd otherwise never experience, I understand that perspective. No argument.

But then I offered that choosing to prioritize your own life is in and of itself a selfish act. It's more explicitly about you than it is about another person.

Would you disagree that going out to eat by yourself is more of a selfish act than inviting a friend to eat out with you? Sharing an experience is less selfish, no?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

owh okay i see

but for me, i prefer not having any kids, not because of the freedom,

but sometimes i think, i wont be a good parent for them

im afaraid that i cant provide them with all the good things that any parents should give..

i accept your opinion, thank you

pardon my english :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

My initial reason for not having kids was financial. I think a lot of people have learned it may be better to have children later in life when you can properly care for them. I know many people who've had their first child in their late-30s and early-40s. My aunt had her first child in her fifties. That's not something that was common before modern medicine.

I have always had the idea that I would have a kid if and when I met the right person to share parenting with. That hasn't happened so I've had to put some thought into my priorities. It's not fair to have a child just because it's what society says you should do or just because you want someone to take care of you when you're old. It's so much more than that and I think people should be more mindful of the responsibilities and long term repercussions.