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Calling out that bombing a population makes it more likely for people who lost families and homes to radicalise seems sensible. Under the post, there is a lot of criticism of Israel, which in my eyes isn't necessarily antisemitism, which of course doesn't mean that there aren't antisemitic critics of Israel.
Of course, Israel is allowed to defend itself against attack, but what it has done and is currently doing in Gaza cannot in good faith be called defending itself.
Regardless of all that, as long as it isn't very clear that there is no effort made to moderate incitement of violence and hate speech, it is rather difficult to hold a platform accountable for the speech of it's users.
I have read the thread, and sure, there is some sympathy for Hamas that seems questionable, but nothing more extreme than what you're likely to read on most other online platforms. And while there are certainly things being said that I don't agree with, I think that on an intellectual level, it makes sense that mistreating a population leads to people in that population becoming more likely to support extremist causes.
Also, I assume they're using Hetzner, but I don't see why they wouldn't be able to switch to a different hosting provider in a different region if Hetzner decides to shut them down.
I am from Germany and I'm really not sure what law you'd apply here anyway. There's the NetzDG, but that, to my knowledge, only applies to platforms that are run with the goal of making a profit, which I don't think applies to most lemmy instances.
Dann bin ich, was die aktuelle Gesetzeslage angeht wahrscheinlich nicht mehr auf dem neuesten Stand, und müsste mich da selbst noch mal einlesen. Je nach dem wo die Admins selbst zu Hause sind, steht und fällt die Wahrscheinlichkeit halt sehr, ob das tatsächlich weiterreichen rechtliche Konsequenzen hat, selbst wenn gerichtlich entschieden werden sollte, dass sie strikter gegen solche Aussagen hätten vorgehen müssen.
Mit dem Argument wollte ich nicht ausdrücken, dass das ok ist, sondern hauptsächlich, dass das impliziert, dass rechtliche Konsequenzen, sollten diese nicht recht arbiträr sein, erstmal unwahrscheinlich erscheinen.
Ich finde, dass man den Staat Israel und seine Regierung für sein Handeln kritisieren kann, ohne dass das antisemitisch ist. Natürlich werden die meisten Antisemiten auch Israel hassen, aber das macht nicht andersrum jeden Kritiker von Israel zum potentiellen Antisemiten, und so lange diese Kritik logisch fundiert ist, sehe ich auch nicht, wieso dieser Verdacht, wenn es nicht weitere Faktoren gibt, aufkommen sollte. Israel und das jüdisch sein auf diese Art zu vermengen nimmt in meinen Augen zudem Juden die stimme, die der Israelischen Regierung kritisch gegenüber stehen.
Es ist, denke ich, unstrittig, dass die Art und Weise auf die die Israelische Regierung in den letzten Monaten gehandelt hat, die auch von unabhängigen Medien berichtet wurde, wenn nicht gänzlich, zumindest in Teilen kritikwürdig ist.
Can you provide an example of this?
Because anti semetiam is just political tactic that is generally used to discredit people who criticize Israeli war crimes and other gross misconduct.
Is that an example of anti semeticism? I am not following. Looks like people are having a discussion mostly about israeli misconduct but broader history. some edge lord takes for sure...
I will admit I am not following what the OP is actually trying to do. I am assuming it is to be inflammatory to get the comment section going?
Please provide some example of actual anti semtism otherwise it seems like you just using the term in bad faith because you don't like what people have to say about Israel's misconduct.
I think you're almost completely conflating anti-Israeli sentiment and anti-semitism.
Continuing to push this will only piss people off because it's insulting to their intelligence that you think they might believe it.
Yeah Israel is a state and I agree it should remain a state, again, you're conflating issues. I'm not going to translate from another language....