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Original Fallout lead Tim Cain loves the new show, but remains baffled by how 'destructive' fans can act toward 'people who are trying to create things' (www.pcgamer.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/games

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Cain appreciated the performances and storytelling, but singled out how the show nailed the Fallout "vibe" as its biggest achievement. "I was just looking at all the props," he said of one scene. "I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually."

On a more sour note, Cain took time to address the way fans of the series can behave poorly online, particularly regarding any perceived rivalry between Fallout entries developed by Bethesda (3, 4, and 76), and those from Interplay, Black Isle, and Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas). Cain spoke positively of Todd Howard, and said that "Some of the stuff you [series fans] say online is so off." See also: the debate about whether the show somehow overrode or ignored the events of those non-Bethesda games, which has since been denied by a senior developer at the studio.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you want a show to be more like the game, play the game. If you want it to be more like the book, read the book. Let the show be a show and try to appreciate it as a show.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I haven't watched the show yet, but I read that it with the NCR

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it kind of kills them off, and that's boring and disappointing.

The show is canon, so it's going to impact future games. So that's annoying in a way that "just stick to the medium you enjoy" won't solve.

I thought New Vegas was the most interesting because it was focused on rebuilding, and what comes after.

Also I don't know how to do the highlight-spoiler instead of the dropdown spoiler :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I just finished the final episode of the season. I liked it for the most part. The characters- both the actors and the writing kept me engaged. The show felt like it kept moving and didn't ever plod. Some of the larger lore implications I'm either lukewarm or not thrilled about.

That criticism is okay. It's strange to see this and other threads full of people trashing fans who didn't love the show. That kind of personal attack for a differing opinion is managing to completely twist Tim Cain's comments, and in a way be the kind of person he is cautioning against.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

My only solace in the Halo TV series is that it's its own universe. 343 is shitting up their own story just fine on their own.

And before I get grouped in with "the haters".

Halo 4 introduces new villain, gets killed in a comic.

Halo Spartan Ops introduces new villain, fleshed out in comic, killed off in a cut scene at the beginning of next game.

Halo 5 introduces new villain, gets killed off screen.

Halo Wars 2 introduces new villain, "killed" off screen. Returns post credits anyway.

Halo 6(Infinite) Introduces TWO new villains, killed in back to back boss fights. Promises more to come though.

Can you see why I'm not hyped anymore?

[+] [email protected] -13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yup, this is like the Cowboy Bebop live action. Fans wanted something, got something and then bitched that it wasn't exactly like the anime.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

hmmm idk, i disliked the live action because of the acting and writing on cowboy bebop. i also don't think three was any reason to make that live action. it felt like a soulles cash grab.

compare that to say the one piece live action, or the last of us series, or even twisted metal. those were all shows that adapted things well while also changing a lot. it's fine to adapt things to a be medium and tell your own story, just don't expect a free pass if that story you tell is worse than the material you were given. like the Witcher, for example. that shouldn't have even been that hard. it wasn't actually a video game adaptation. it was supposed to adapt the books. but then they just went and did their own story with the characters that just wasn't very good... certainly not nearly as good as the source material.

i think that's what frustrates me sometimes. when an adaptation just doesn't hold up to the source. the cowboy bebop lie action wasn't that bad, but the anime was fucking incredible. in a few years everyone will forget they even did a live action of it. it just wasn't really worth remembering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I really liked the live action show. Like with One Piece it actually piqued my interest in the anime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I loved the anime, but also really enjoyed the live action. I've never seen either of the one piece shows but hopefully the live action doesn't suffer the same fate as the live action cowboy bebop.