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FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah i totally concur and have been consistently in favor of the uncommitted movement. i also think folks voting third party in deep blue states, where the risk of spoiling for a fascist win is low, aren’t incredibly off the mark. i’m not smart enough to understand polster analysis so i can’t pretend to know if these pressures are working, but i do support them.

so i don’t really get where your accusations of me not thinking strategically are coming from lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The "game theory" argument is one I see being used mostly by vote-blue-no-matter-who types. And you were trying to dissuade the other commenter from third party voting. So I am genuinely surprised that that is not your position. You were saying that voting third party would have a deleterious impact due to the spoiler effect.

So, you were saying that people should vote for Biden due to game theory, which is a tool to understand strategy. I was telling you you're not thinking strategically because I think that by limiting your analysis to just game theory in this single election cycle, you are missing the strategic possibilities enabled by voting third party.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah i guess you just assumed wrong and that there are positions out there with nuance you can’t guess from just a few sentences haha

“game theory” is a real field of study of how individuals work together within a system, so i wouldn’t treat it like it’s a dog whistle which is kind of what looks like happened here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I've seen a lot of vote-who-no-matter who using game theory the way you did, I think if you look for it you might start to notice it!

I think probably everyone is more nuanced than we end up making ourselves seem online 😅