ThinkPad

So, I'm making this post because I'm currently torn between 3 options:

• Upgrade my current T450 with 16GB of DDR3 and a 256GB (or maybe 512GB) NVME which has an i5-5300u and 1080p display
• Get a T14(s) G1 with an AMD CPU (for about 400 euros or so)
• Save up for a long time to buy a Framework laptop

The role of the laptop would be to do some software dev tasks and some light gaming (think ULTRAKILL, Minecraft and KSP, so really not anything that can't run on a good enough iGPU). Battery isn't much of a priority, since I'll use it plugged in most of the time, but it is preferred for when I do need it, nevertheless I don't wish to sacrifice CPU performance for it like what my T450 does when it crawls to 800MHz to extend its battery life from 4 hours to 5 hours (it has a dual 3-cell setup, both batteries at about 75% health). While I can save up a lot for a Framework or even a T14 Gen 5/6, I'd rather not because I just don't find it worth it for the price, and because It'd wear down my patience. Another large priority is durability, I am insanely clumsy. For example, one time I dropped my T450 at the very edge of a table so that it hit my foot and broke its old 1366x768 panel (good riddance, that resolution was atrocious). From what I can remember, most ThinkPads are in some way MIL-STD certified (80G or 80H depending on the model IIRC), starting with (unfortunately for my T450) the T460. I'd also like at least an FHD or higher display, but everything I've listed passes that. The only real benefit here for a Framework is the "eternal laptop" concept where I don't have to replace the laptop itself, ever, because I can just upgrade the parts in a Thesseus' ship kind of way, like some desktop users do, but parts are scarce here in Greece, especially for Frameworks, so I'd have to get them shipped from their website which is not ideal. If there are any other ThinkPad options (available in Greece!) at about the price of the T14, then I'd be glad to hear them.

To conclude, here are my priorities, grouped from highest priority to lowest priority:

• Available in Greece, preferrably at a physical store
• CPU Performance, Durability
• Resolution, Repairability
• Battery life

That is, turned on its side so the display is vertical, using an external keyboard. I'm thinking of getting one of the Yoga models, which are naturally suited to that. I run primarily browsers, emacs, and maybe calibre, under Debian GNU/Linux. My questions:

1. Any issues getting the X server to work that way?

2. Any issues with cables having to stick out of the edges and poke things? At minimum a power cable, but i like to use Ethernet instead of WiFi when I can.

Thanks!

I found this in near immaculate shape, for $2 at a Goodwill.

I'm trying to figure out what "era" (for lack of a better word) that this ThinkPad bag belongs to.

I'm maybe more specifically trying to find out if it's an appropriate match for my A30p.

Just got it today so I haven't had much time to play with it yet. But feel free to ask me anything about it and I'll answer when I can. The model I got has the non-touch 100% sRGB 400 nits display.

Yesterday this usb port works as usual, but today I turned on the notebook and just nothing. I tried to connect usb stick, phone, but nothing. lsusb can's see it. What can I do, what can I check?

So, I think we all know how when companies upgrade they sell all their old laptops, flooding their market and making them insanely cheap, ThinkPads being the most well known for this.

Now, in places like the US there are a lot of stores for this, such as eBay. But I'm in Greece and I'm not keen on international orders (shipping costs, potential tariffs if extra-European, several other reasons).

Does anyone know of any (trustworthy) stores for used ThinkPads in Greece? I've looked at some already and they have some nice deals (particularly on T495s, X1s and T14s) but I want to make sure I'm getting the full picture.

UPDATE: After flashing coreboot with the option to "Enable ECC if supported", ECC RAM still does not work. The screen and lights come on and the speakers emit a continuous high tone. The memory tested was an 8GB stick of 2Rx8 EP3L-12800E from SK Hynix. It is unbuffered ECC to the best of my knowledge. I'll write up my thoughts on corebooting this particular board when I have used it for some more time.

After learning that the 3612QE itself supports ECC RAM in contrast to the stock CPU options and that the QM77 chipset also does, I purchased a DDR3 SODIMM with unbuffered ECC. I have not been aware of any other attempts to test this combination.

The machine did not POST and did not produce any beep codes. Absolutely no response to any input aside from shutting down when briefly holding the power button. Everything returned to normal upon putting the original RAM back.

I suspect the BIOS lacks support, but whether this changes with coreboot remains unknown to me, at least until I learn how to prepare and flash coreboot.

This is purely an exercise in curiosity.

Does anyone know how to order or configure the P14s G5 AMD with a OLED display on the German Lenovo site?

The OLED display seems to be NA exclusive apart from a few overpriced offers from third party sites...

Found it on a local market place site, the seller said it's a Lenovo T14 Gen4

I'm looking to replace the battery of a ThinkPad T410 (and maybe of a T480 as well but i haven't tested them yet).

What are the recommended places to get them in the EU?

I've already found ifixit for the T480 but i'm more focused on the T410 atm.

So, yet another "if you're in the middle of nowhere and can't/don't_want_to wait for proper tools to arrive" kind of post.

Firstly, there's pico-serprog with quite good instructions from the libreboot project. Unfortunately, it didn't want to detect the chip at all in my case (in hind sight, likely due to the board pinouts being different between my board and a regular pico and them providing pico pins and not gpio numbers)

What worked, albeit rather slowly, was pico-dirtyjtag. If using this one, the connections are as follows:

• cs - gp19
• miso - gp17
• mosi - gp16
• clk - gp18
• gnd - gnd
• 3v3 - 3v3

The chip pinouts can be sourced from the libreboot guide/a laptop schematic/ic datasheet. Flashing with sudo flashprog -p dirtyjtag_spi -w rom.rom (or flashrom instead of flashprog). It may complain that there are multiple definitions matching the chip, in which case you manually choose one of the mentioned with -c (in my case -c W25Q32FV and -c W25Q64BV/W25Q64CV/W25Q64FV for top and bottom chips respectively).

Also applicable to stm boards with the main dirtyjtag repo.

Hey, Lemmy. I've recently broken my ten-year-old MacBook in a mishap involving some ionic cleaning fluids, and I am looking to replace it with a ThinkPad.

I am currently at uni, studying cybersecurity, and this particular course also has a lot of software development at the start. I also would be looking to play some videogames (nothing too taxing though; really just Minecraft, Terraria, Stardew Valley, etc.; assuming I don't go for FreeBSD instead of Linux), watch some videos, and do a bit of video editing.

The device being replaced was a mid-2014 MacBookPro11,1 A1502. Compared to my other hardware, though, this is a powerhouse.

I have already looked at a few models (namely the T450 and the X1 Carbon Gen. 10), but these have always had a snag or two that are a deal breaker.

Of course, I will be running either Linux, BSD, or some other *nix.

In terms of specs, I would be needing:

• At least 8GB of RAM (or upgradable to/past)
• A CPU equal or better than the i5 in the Mac
• At least 256GB of storage (SSD preferable, but not essential)
• 1400x900 resolution or higher
• WiFi drivers available for BSD
• Decent battery life
• Screen must be less than 17", or it won't fit in my bag
• Ideally no more than five years old; although an older ThinkPad could be doable
• Either AMD-based or made after 2018 (to prevent Meltdown attacks, should I decide to run Linux-libre or something else without microcode updates)

Unless a device is ridiculously expensive, the cost shouldn't be a problem. Also, I live in the UK.

So, any suggestions?

So, I've dug up my corebooted t440p and decided to check if it'll work with the battery from my t480, and it did! Well, sort of.

Since coreboot also replaces the embedded controller firmware (mb sometimes they keep blobs of it, idk, but certainly not in case of t440p), we won't get those nasty "battery not supported, pay me" messages even if they've changed the verification since then.

However, I suspect some batteries may be unprepared for the power draw of earlier models. I've tested it on 2 batteries, one was a 22wh → 72wh conversion with BMS built on top of a cheap controller with rather unpleasant feedback from battery repair people; the other one was a more trustworthy 72wh clone powered by bq8050. The latter one worked ootb, while the former somewhat worked: fine in uefi, fine in grub, drop voltage to 0 as soon as the os starts loading → poweroff. If the power supply is plugged in during boot, the battery works fine (may drop voltage again under load, haven't tested it myself).

Soo, basically the use case is that you can try to retrofit the guts of a newer battery into older thinkpads if those run core/libreboot.

In an effort to keep my X230 snappy for a few more years until I find/make a newer laptop to my liking, I finally caved in and bought an i7-3612QE board. Posting some observations and thoughts based on the questions I had prior to buying. Previous CPU was the i5-3320M.

Setup

• Debian 12
• XFCE
• 16GB DDR3L
• Two SSDs
• Hyper-threading disabled
• 1vyrain BIOS with classic keyboard EC patch

Performance

• Not literally twice as fast, but the improvement is quite noticeable
• CPU no longer seems to struggle while loading Javascript-laden websites
• Rarely hits 100% CPU usage, even on Youtube (sadly bloated enough to be a sort of benchmark)
• Single-core tasks are only slightly better than before

Thermals

• High 40s at idle to mid 60s when busy
• Feels cooler compared to previous CPU, which I assume is due to the CPU usage being lower across all tasks.
• Did not upgrade to the AVC cooler. Toshiba cooler works well and is quiet as ever.

Battery

• About 4.5 hours of office tasks and light browsing from full to empty with an aftermarket 55 Wh 6-cell at 98% health
• Wattage in the mid 9's at idle with brightness at a comfortable level for a well-lit room. Increase from low 8's with the i5-3320M.
• When doing actual work, wattage hovers from 11 to 15 watts
• 16 to 18 watts watching Youtube videos
• SLT1 IPS display does consume ~1 W more than TN. I installed tlp but left it on default settings.
• 65W Lenovo charger only works when in sleep mode or shut down. In normal use, however, it will not draw the full 65 W. A 90 W charger or a 65 W GaN charger that the X230 believes is 90 W will both work (my 65 W GaN charger worked well and did not overheat, YMMV)

Other

• Make sure to enlarge the cutout on the black sticker on the underside of the cooler since the 3612QE die is larger
• EC flashing will require a 90 W charger or a 65 W GaN that the X230 believes is 90 W.
• Factory CPUs have BGA package underfill. I have not checked for myself, but it is likely that the upgraded CPU does not have underfill. This should not affect day-to-day use, but the lack of underfill will make the BGA solder joints more susceptible to fall and vibrational damage. Liquid may get trapped underneath in the event of a spill.

Value

• With shipping and taxes, the upgrade costs about 200 USD and takes 2 hours. The total cost-to-date on my X230 built from parts is around 500 USD.
• Do not think of this upgrade in terms of how much performance you get for the price. Think of it like upgrading and daily-driving a classic car. If it brings you joy to daily drive an X230 as it does for me, then it may be worth it.

Just bought thinkpad t480 and have some problems with my usb devices: with my mouse and keyboard. Mouse and keyboard just don't work for 1 sec randomly. Fresh installed arch linux.

I was thinking about something like the P73.

My use case is a stationary and docked laptop connected to an external monitor. I would mostly be using it conjunction with my desktop PC for torrents, watching 1080p videos, and browsing the web.

Being able to have large amounts of storage is nice. The T440P with the disc drive to SSD upgrade was nice for dual SSDs.

I don't think I really need to upgrade that much but it would be nice to be able to do some light (2010 era) gaming when I travel or have less lag when I fire up GIMP.

Easy reparability, eGPU support, USB C ports, and upgradeability/modability are things that I would consider bonuses but might not be needed depending on the system.

Anyone here use an X230 with the quad-core mod? I'm looking into it and was wondering about the reliability and battery life compared to the stock i5-3320M.

I have an X61 Tablet and I'd like to get the original Lenovo recovery media for XP tablet edition (I think version 2005) mostly so I can get all of the drivers and functionality working.

I currently have an XP Pro install but that doesn't have any of the special tablet features. And my xp tablet edition install decided it doesn't want to work anymore and BSODs on start, and I don't feel like dealing with the hunt for old drivers.

Does anyone know where or how I can acquire isos or even the actual recovery CDs for this machine?

I was thinking to buy a e16 gen 1 with either amd ryzen 7 7730u or intel 7 1355u.

Which one has a better battery life? and Which one has better performance?

If anybody has any knowledge it would be great help. Thanks in advance!

Hello good folks in the Lemmy Thinkpad community!

I have recently built a T420 from parts. Things have been running well. Since it's mostly from scraps, it's far from perfect, but it works.

One of my pet peeves is some discoloration along the edges and corners of the top cover. I am guessing this is the part where the paint got worn off from bumps and frictions. Is there a way to restore it? I honestly don't care about the rubberized coating, but having that consistent matte black would be really great.

I was thinking of that plastic model paint. Would it work well?

Also, the back part of magnesium chassis that's supposed to be painted black seems to have its bare color exposed.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18205906

I have an old ThinkPad T42 coming my way. I plan to use it alongside my daily driver mainly for reading, emacs, and retro gaming. I will be dual booting a lightweight flavour of Linux (TBD) and Windows 98 on it.

However, I am a bit concerned about its ability to handle today's internet, with all of its heavy websites.

I would love to hear from those of you who are still using old ThinkPads (or other vintage laptops) in 2024. How do you make it work? Do you use lightweight browsers, specific configurations, or lightweight websites to get around the limitations of older hardware?

Are there any specific tips or tricks you can share for getting the most out of an old ThinkPad on the modern web?

Looking forward to hearing about your experiences!

I've replaced cells in my fake battery a few days ago, and while recalibrating the bms I noticed what looked like it trying to overcharge the cells -- the voltage went up to above 12.6v and stabilized at around 12.9 (which amounts to ~4.3v per cell and is 0.1v above what cell manufacturers generally recommend). Idk if that's the intended behavior or clone manufacturers trying to shorten the lifetime of said batteries, so if the owners with genuine batteries can provide that info, I'd really appreciate it.

On linux, you can check this with cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/voltage_now (as your usual user, those files are world-readable); not sure about windows, tho.

Hello everyone. I just got a new battery for my T480 from my work supplier. It is a Greencell LGC 11 Model: 01AV424 and I get a BIOS message before my bootloader:

The battery installed is not supported by this system and will not charge. Please replace the battery with the correct Lenovo battery for this system. Press the ESC key to continue.

Once I plugged it in and booted up the battery had 74% charge, and I let it discharge until 6% without the AC adaptor plugged in as per the instructions, so that I could then fully charge it (and repeat the process 3-5 times). However, once it reached 6% and I plugged it in it wasn't charging and ended up dropping to 1% where it remains even now. Below I'll include outputs from some commands.

Everything I read online mentions flashing the EC chip to whitelist the battery, or changing the BIOS to something like coreboot. I'd like to avoid flashing any chips unless absolutely the only option, in case something goes wrong and I brick my motherboard. I've tried also resetting the EC chip by pushing the button in the pinhole at the bottom of the laptop with a paper clip, but with no effect.

$ upower -e          
/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_AC
/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ucsi_source_psy_USBC000o001
/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ucsi_source_psy_USBC000o002
/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/DisplayDevice

$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1            
  native-path:          BAT1
  vendor:               LGC 11
  model:                01AV424
  serial:               14050
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              Tue 11 Jun 2024 12:46:25 EEST (19 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               pending-charge
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              0.41 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         22.23 Wh
    energy-full-design:  22.23 Wh
    energy-rate:         0 W
    voltage:             10.296 V
    charge-cycles:       1
    percentage:          1%
    capacity:            100%
    technology:          lithium-ion
    icon-name:          'battery-caution-charging-symbolic'

As you can see the state it is stuck in is "pending-charge"

Any help would be appreciated. Also, if you need any additional info please let me know and I will provide it.

EDIT: Supplier will pick it up from my work in a couple days and try to solve the issue. Hopefully that works, otherwise I'll have to see about flashing the EC chip with the patched firmware to remove the whitelist.